Think about this (War in Iraq)

Post by **gussser** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:35 pm

I let time go by to lets things cool down But I will not allow some statements to go unchallenged. " War is for $$$$/ oil----You getting cheaper gas for your boat?? WRONG---- Statement made about how most Americans feel about Canadiens, How the Queen put "BUSH in his place. These ARE anti-american leftist statements. Tax Bill Gates--Why??? Hate wealthy people too??? Please name which country has figured out how to tax their people into properity. "Bush should find a cure for cancer or clean air & water---Why?? Which Socialist country has done this?? An ostrich sticks his head in the sand, Be careful, you might get bit in the a--. This American & several other friends have decided to go to the eastern sports show in Harrisburg next year & represent American Lodges (for free) as an alternative to vacationers going to the north country. Your province needs US for tourists alot worse that Penna. needs tourists from the north. We will do all we can to keep RICH AMERICANS spending their ill-gotten gains here. Moderator please remove me from this site.

Post by **Wallyboss** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:16 pm

Gusser you are not the one that should be taken off this site. I never meant this thread to be Anti- anything. We are all on the same continent and let me tell you that if the WAR ever gets to this side of the Ocean I will be one who will be glad that The U.S. will be on our side.

Post by **Kpin** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:43 pm

Guesser, I didn't mean to start a nuclear meltdown. Some of my comments are serious and some off the cuff. Either way, being civilized, it can be discussed rationally.

I overexaggerated the view of Canadians BUT you convieniently left out that I felt most of the globe, not just the states views us as the "very nice, helpfull guys that weild no real power."

I DO however feel OIL, economic and strategic reasons are higher motivating factors rather than the dubious "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION," that were never found.

Before you label me as an American hater, know I have many American friends. I love Americans, just don't agree with this war or the reasons our politicians have given to justify it. You might find it interesting to know, I know 20 American citizens that share this opinon. Are they also leftist anti-American? Communists? Flag burners? Should be drawn and quartered for an opposite opinion?

I have 3 friends that have served and been injured in the line of duty and sent home with shrattenal littered in their bodies, one lost half a leg from a landmine. They told me their particular stories and viewpoints. My own grandfather was captured and tortured by the Nazi's in WW2.

So, I have formed my own opinion about it. I personally don't think Canadian solidiers should be there. If the States wants to pursue it further....go for it.

I'm entitled to my opinion as are you. We can agree to disagree or discuss it maturely. Everyone won't see eye to eye, all the time.

No need to get all upset and leave because I dare have an opinion or disagree. The site is for fishing, so let cooler heads prevail. If you'd like to talk further about it you can PM me as this has taken a twisted turn and this will be my last post on this subject.

Still think the $$$ for military wouldn't be better spent on your own, in your own country? Feed the poor? Perhaps give a sick child a life saving operaton? Or for a cancer cure? The possible list goes on and on.

Your post leaves me with the impression you'd rather it be spent militarily for some goal, we've been told of but somehow forgot, rather than a better good. Maybe I'm the only daft one that may see a bigger pic...or perhaps a dif. one.

I'd say you reconsider leaving, unless somehow, I've insulted you so greatly to warrant this. I'm left with the impression you took it so personally, I've actually insulted the whole of the U.S. of A or torched the flag.

This was not my intention. Fighting terrorism is important. Not feeling safe in one owns land is a frightening prospect. I'll say this humbly...if I were Georgie, I'd be spending those countless millions on protecting the homeland, rather than fighting another.

(((After further consideration, I'll add this last point.))))

My grandfather, other family members and many friends have served bravely so that WE had the freedom to speak our minds. I'm tired of being a nice, politically correct Canadian. I'm sorry you've gotten all wound up over misinterpretation and incorrect assumption I'm bashing the States, Guesser.

But, yanno what???? Many a brave man died for me to have that freedom of speech. Many a man, from many a country. I respectfully say, I don't care if you agree or not. Many have fought for ALL of us to exercise that freedom and I'll damn well do so.

I know the majority of Americans and countries globally are on the same page in regard to senseless violence and terrorism. I'm sure, given the big pic, we're all on the same page Guesser. Aren't we?

Again, if you'd like to continue this further we can via PM. Given that it'll be discussed in a mature fashion, if not pls don't bother. There is no need to ask the moderator to remove you. If you feel so overwhelmingly slighted that ONE Canadian had the nerve to question something and have their own opinion, you can simply leave the site by yourself, without slanderous remarks.

I'll add these links, courtesy of an actual sense of humour and my right and freedom to express my opinion, without being fearfull of attempts to silence my right of opinion, whether forcefully physically or verbally. Many have died, so I have this simple BUT overwhelmingly important freedom.

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Post by **Bobber** » Sun May 27, 2007 8:59 pm

Discussions such as this are very close to heart for many people, and sometimes get interpreted in such a manner that was not intended. I'm pretty sure we all support our troops overseas and our prayers are with them. We're all on the same team here, and I'm sure we all can't wait until this is over and our families come home. There is no anti-Canadian, anti-American thing here, we're all fighting for the same cause.

Different oppinions on a topic that is very close to everyone's heart. Gusser has asked to be removed from the site. That disappoints me all over I'm sure what is nothing but a misunderstanding and interpretation. I don't think it's necessary or that anything was said that would warrant a removal, but I will respect if he still wishes to be. Gusser, please send me a PM if you'd really like to be removed.

We all support our troops. Some may have better first hand experience as to why they are doing what they are doing, while others may not. It's just the world we live in, but let's not start this type of conversation here. Again, we're all on the same team.

Post by **kunobasski** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:24 pm

Quote from the BBC

It's not often that an Australian defence minister makes it on to the international news bulletins. But Brendan Nelson managed to do so last week - and all for the wrong reasons - by appearing to link Australia's Iraq commitment to oil.

On the AM program on ABC radio last Thursday, Nelson was asked: "Is the fact that Iraq is a major supplier of oil a factor in why Australia has to stay there?"

He replied: "Well, the Defence Update we're releasing today sets out many priorities for Australia's defence and security, and resource security is one of them. And obviously the Middle East itself, not only Iraq but the entire region, is an important supplier of energy - oil in particular - to the rest of the world."

HMMMM....not to bring it back up, but our troops could be here enjoyng the lakes and rivers of North America with thier friends and families...

Of course the price of oil would go up? And I'm pretty sure that we would not be over run with Islamic extremest terrorism threats anymore then we are now, maybe less according to a Christan Annanpour(SP?) (CNN News person) Whos has on tape in an interview, extremest leaders omiting to bombing our homelands and it being fair, as the west is in thier homelands bombing them....Sounds fair to me?

Tkunopaski

Post by **gussser** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:40 am

gussser wrote:I let time go by to lets things cool down But I will not allow some statements to go unchallenged. " War is for $$$$/ oil----You getting cheaper gas for your boat?? WRONG---- Statement made about how most Americans feel about Canadiens, How the Queen put "BUSH in his place. These ARE anti-american leftist statements. Tax Bill Gates--Why??? Hate wealthy people too??? Please name which country has figured out how to tax their people into properity. "Bush should find a cure for cancer or clean air & water---Why?? Which Socialist country has done this?? An ostrich sticks his head in the sand, Be careful, you might get bit in the a--. This American & several other friends have decided to go to the eastern sports show in Harrisburg next year & represent American Lodges (for free) as an alternative to vacationers going to the north country. Your province needs US for tourists alot worse that Penna. needs tourists from the north. We will do all we can to keep RICH AMERICANS spending their ill-gotten gains here. Moderator please remove me from this site.

It's Time For the Eastern Spoert Show in Harrisburg Pa--I didn't forget those anti-american statements & WILL be set up at the show. We are handing out lapel buttons that say "KEEP IT HERE" with a $ in the backround. Our booth will be promoting 3 in state lodges along with promoting State Park cabins & lake facilities here in PA. Since the SURGE WORKED, Where are all the leftist statements now??? You opened your mouth & stuck your foot in it. You now know words do mean something & now they cost you. See ya at the show. Freedom isn't free.

Post by **beeman** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:39 am

I am sorry to see that this is your opinion of Canadians. As in the US, Canada is a free country allowing freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is useless unless there are differing opinions. Through this discussion, you have only seen a few opinions on the subject that were made before all of the results, reasons and explanations were available. There are many people that dissagree with the views seen on Fish-Hawk. In addition, many of the statements which were made dissaproved of the US adminstration, not the US people - there is a big difference. If everyone always agreed with everything the adminstration of a country did, there would be no reason for democracy. Everything would be run as desired so why bother voting? I have seen no historical achievement this sort of administrative nirvana, and cannot forsee this either. As an example of dissagreement with the adminstrations policy, essentially all of the candiates in the US primaries (both Republican and Democratic) are planning to change the approach in Iraq by adding more troups, reducing the troups, or changing the approach to the entire situation. Does this mean that all of the US presidential candiates are anti-American? I would guess not.

For those that dissagree it is important to voice their opinions tactfully and respectfully. Everyone let's, please not make this situation and Fish-hawk a US or Canada bashing event because of differences of opinion.

Thank-you
Beeman

Post by **McQ** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:54 am

Opinions - everybody has one.

As I went thru this thread it became obvious very quickly that the pot was not only stirred but was slanted in a way to profit Gusser's agenda.

As he has openly stated he wants to encourage the American sportsmen to spend their money vacationing at home - which is fine.

To take a position that provides some misplaced comments to prove that there is animosity between Canadians & Americans is a reach.

I not only find it shameful that debate doesn't follow the subject but gets into areas that not only offer up untruths but flames the whole reason for us being participants on a fishing board.

Where is the collective intelligence when it is needed?

Post by **gussser** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:27 pm

Someone in Canada posts a very funny joke. Someone else in Canada posts anti-american response to said joke. I stand up for my country. I have an agenda???? Dear leftists--your counrty is the only one to lose tourists over this, not mine. Perhaps your agenda is biting you in the ...

Freedom of speech still has a cost to it. Continue biting the tourist hand that feeds you, you soon go hungry. Any intelligence there???

Post by **McQ** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:58 pm

gusser your reality is not representing what is actual fact.

I do admire your stance to encourage tourism within your own region, we all do the same.

Operating a business that targets the American sportsman has been my agenda for many years.

Am I shy about what Canada has to offer with respect to the great outdoors - NOT LIKELY.

Am I informed about the economy and the real reasons why people want to enjoy what Canada has to offer - you bet.

Have I represented business on both sides of the border - yes.

Have I ever had to use mistruths or misrepresent reality to accomplish my goals - never.

There is a reason why Canada appeals so strongly to the American Sportsman and it goes far beyond what has been misrepresented in this thread.

We have been blessed with an evironment and a populace that is so concentrated to the 49th parallel that in a few hours we can enjoy a pristine form of quietude and nature that is hard to find in your neck of the woods. That doesn't mean in any way that there aren't great spots in and around Pennsylvania because there are.

I just find it shameful that you would use or prepare to use the comments of those on this board to misrepresent the attitudes of Canadians towards Americans - whether you care to admit it or not - we are brothers and have the same arguments and thoughts regardless of what side of the border we put our heads on a pillow.

Post by **gussser** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:18 pm

High & lofty one---why then do you comment where none was asked from you??? This was brought on by Canadian comments about your brothers in the USA---Where was your defense of them. The silence then was very loud. I, your brother will now act.

Post by **McQ** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:42 pm

Well have fun and be sure to let me know how successful you were.

Post by **gussser** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:09 am

I will PM you after the show with our results & number of bookings we get for in the states facilities. Each one we get will keep thousands of dollars here. Don't need to many to illustrate my point. With success we will be able to make this a yearly project. Thank you for your interest and support.

Post by **DropShotr** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:28 am

OK gussser,
I've lived in Brockville, Ontario the last 27 years. I was born and raised in Millersburg, Pa........class of '72. The uniform of an honorably discharged sergeant in the U.S. Army Cavalry proudly hangs in my closet. I hunt deer on Berry's Mountain every year. I bought my MQ1 at Baker's Archery....from old Bob. I've fished Powell's, Clarks, & Stony. You want to find the toughest birds(turkeys) to hunt come to Dauphin county. Yea, I'm still 100% American and a Pennsylvania boy.......in your face proud of that fact too! But the 27 years I've lived in Canada qualifies me to say you are way off base on your fractured logic about Canadians. I've herd a lot of stuff over the years, some hurtful, but it is the individual saying it..........not Canada. Maybe you are unaware of a steady stream of damn fine Canadian soldiers returning to Canada from Afghanistan boots first, carried by 6.
Oddly enough there are different cultures and customs out there and it's OK to be/think different. Do you actually think Bush personifies Americans and what Americans are thinking? How about Dick Cheney?........oops...sorry, did that hurt?
It's OK to sell Pennsylvania, you have a piece of heaven to showcase........but do it for the right reasons.

DropShot'r

Post by **almontefisher** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:32 am

Gusserr: You should be trying to sell your area...It is beautiful for sure, good fishing and great people but at some point you took a turn into the wrong place and how this became us Canadians against the Americans is hogwash. The original post was about the war in Iraq and Wally was saying that he respected everyone for doing what has to be done. Now I don't think this war will go anywhere ( Vietnam ) but it will build faith and love for our troops out there. I hope you do keep a lot of U.S people in P.A. to boost tourism but doing it by slandering us Canadians means nothing. The people you are talking to hear are mostly Canadians and you are trying to convince Americans to stay. Well not only have you maybe convinced 1 or two Americans to fish your beautiful land you have convinced 100's of Canadians not to travel there. We travel to P.A. as well and spend our dollar there but you seem to want to alienate us which will not bring you $$$$. Try to remeber we in North America all have money to spend somewhere and you don't want to limit your funds available by ranting negativley about Canadians. Try to promote healthy tourism for all and maybe see what the P.A tourist board has on this point

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