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almontefisher wrote:
Haulin Bass wrote:If I have one i would like to weigh I use a reusable grocery bag. I don,t know if it is a good as the mesh one Maverick is talking about but at least the fish is not hung vertically with a metal hook stuck in it somewhere. Just trying to give an option that everyone may have at their disposal.

Sorry HB but I have to comment on this one!! lol. You mention they wont be hung vertically with metal hooks stuck in them....How do you fish for them? I use metal hooks and pull them up out of the water vertically until I can net it or strong arm it in the boat..lol. Seriously though I loved the idea of those weigh bags. It makes it so easy to weigh them. First time using one was at the MS Bassin tourney and loved them.
Got me there for a minute Almonte haha I first started to use the bag Ice fishing trout Trying to get those things on a scale was a nightmare in the cold so I figured the bag wasa better way to do it for me and the fish. :D
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Haulin Bass wrote:
almontefisher wrote:
Haulin Bass wrote:If I have one i would like to weigh I use a reusable grocery bag. I don,t know if it is a good as the mesh one Maverick is talking about but at least the fish is not hung vertically with a metal hook stuck in it somewhere. Just trying to give an option that everyone may have at their disposal.

Sorry HB but I have to comment on this one!! lol. You mention they wont be hung vertically with metal hooks stuck in them....How do you fish for them? I use metal hooks and pull them up out of the water vertically until I can net it or strong arm it in the boat..lol. Seriously though I loved the idea of those weigh bags. It makes it so easy to weigh them. First time using one was at the MS Bassin tourney and loved them.
Got me there for a minute Almonte haha I first started to use the bag Ice fishing trout Trying to get those things on a scale was a nightmare in the cold so I figured the bag wasa better way to do it for me and the fish. :D

OMG HB I never thought of that use before either. I to have the same issues in winter. This will also stop them from getting froze up from cold winds etc. If they are in water then the wind will not affect them as bad.

Mind if I steal that idea for this winter??
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RJ wrote:The new FH will have a tab for tournaments that will have a listing of all series, walk ons etc.

RJ
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Lenny wrote:
RJ wrote:No offense Lenny but thinking the MNR would even contemplate such a thing is a but much.

One thing with studies is that you can start with a result and build a study to get to that result.

If every Bass held vertically had its jaw broken and could no longer eat we'd have no fish left anywhere due to an epidemic from the last 60 years of Bass Fisherman breaking jaws.....

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No offence taken RJ, just stating the facts. I never said anything about the MNR.. I was talking about how tournaments could lower their impact. And in tournaments they weigh their fish in bags which makes it more realistic. I don't think it would make for any more fish dropped- you can still hold the lip, you just have to support the other half of the fish. From the article posted below the "Mike Iaconelli" hold is the worst for the fish. Maverick- that sounds like a great system! Haven't heard of that before. I never bother to weigh my fish. Here's another article about it for those interested. I think there's going to be a big paradigm fish of fish handling in the next few years. : http://www.bassmaster.com/blog/how-not-hold-hawg# .

I read the article "how-not-hold-hawg" Basically it is about the author and how held up a 10lb largie. By the lower li-p - HORIZONTALLY

I won't post the whole article but here is an excerpt dealing with holding the fish horizontally:

"First I talked with Bob Wattendorf of the Florida Wildlife Commission (FWC), and he said that while there’s no scientific research to support the theory, the FWC contends that it’s not good for the fish — particularly larger fish. He said by putting that much weight on the jaw of a big bass and potentially twisting it to the side, you can cause irreparable damage, which could ultimately kill the fish.

Mike Allen, a fisheries biologist with the University of Florida agrees. He suggests holding the fish more vertically by the lower jaw — only briefly — then returning it to water as soon as possible. He said it may be okay to hold the fish at a horizontal angle, provided it’s supported at the tail…but added that in doing so, to use caution, so as not to remove any of its protective slime."

The bolding and red colour is mine to highlight what the biologist actually said. Never said -don't hold the fish vertically.

So how did you come to the opinion that holding a bass vertically is bad? Please post links to all the studies about this not just an article written by a pro angler on a BASS tournament website.
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Hi CN,

I guess I should have been more specific. By holding them horizontally with two hands you can keep the vertebrae straighter. Holding them with one hand horizontally as mentioned is what I was vaguely referring to as the "Mike Iaconelli" pose and is the worst for them. Does lipping bass kill every one? Definitely not! But for the bigger fish it can't be good. As I said, not everyone is going to agree but I'm not one to argue with science. I didn't actually know about it until a few years ago fishing with a friend with a PHD in fisheries biology lectured me for holding a 4lb+ bass vertically and cited a few studies that have been done. I could dig up more but I'm sure almost everyone (myself included) is tired of talking about this- at the end of the day not everyone is going to agree, which is fine with me. As I Got Worms mentioned, obviously hooks aren't great fish for either. Safest way not to harm fish is to join a choir and become a vegan. But i don't think there's anything wrong about discussing best management practices for catch and release as by the sounds of it most people on this site practice catch and release for bass.

Here's an article written by a PHD scientist: http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_india ... ctive.html
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hey Lenny

Thanks for posting the link. The issue I have with these so called scientific studies is that it was totally anecdotal. Full of it can it may. No actual scientific study to actually prove that lipping a bass and holding it vertically damages the fish.

If I can see an actual study by a real biologist actively employed by either a university (with a well known faculty) a provincial or governmental department or even a tackle company although I suspect they would be biased- I would change how I handle fish.

To blindly follow some random article on any angling website without real evidence is folly.

But until then I will not propagate unfounded theories of what is good or bad for fish. I pinch down barbs on my hooks as this does make sense to not harm the fish more than necessary when removing the hook. I try not to handle the fish with dry hands so as not to remove the slime. I do not hoist Pike and Musky (not that I catch any musky) vertically, and I try to get al fish back into the water asap. If I think the fish is in trouble I will put it into my aerated livewell to recover.

Just to be sure I was not flaming, but it seems that on almost every website/forum I follow, no one does any sort of actually reading or research but just takes what someone else has written and then promotes it as truth.
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Jimmy_1 wrote:Image

Why is it that the fishing reports get 1-2 comments....

Yet threads about how to hold fish and tournaments etc get 8+ pages????

Just fish!
Same thing year after year. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Tournaments are here to stay. They will get bigger and better.
Everyone I know hold their Basses by the lower lip. It will not change.

I read most fishing reports and never comment. How many pages of "Nice fish" or "Nice report" do you want?
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Jimmy_1 wrote:Image

Why is it that the fishing reports get 1-2 comments....

Yet threads about how to hold fish and tournaments etc get 8+ pages????

Just fish!
True enough Jimmy. I enjoy reading all the reports,as far as commenting I do on some but if a post has enough congrats, or nice ones I will not comment. A like button like face book would probably get used quite a bit if available. :)

I am partial to trout though and biggins
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CN wrote: Just to be sure I was not flaming, but it seems that on almost every website/forum I follow, no one does any sort of actually reading or research but just takes what someone else has written and then promotes it as truth.
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Star

My point exactly....

Totally fruitless conversation.

All it is doing is boiling people's tempers over opinions.

People will do as people do....
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There's a lot of talk about holding fish vertically, grabbing them by the lower lip, etc. I think this pic was the real take-away point from the article. Although I'm sure most people here already know this, and don't hold bass this way. Again though, not really based on any scientific research, but it makes sense.
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Jimmy_1 wrote:Star

My point exactly....

Totally fruitless conversation.

All it is doing is boiling people's tempers over opinions.

People will do as people do....
I totally agree. That's how I interpreted your comment.
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Supernova224 wrote:There's a lot of talk about holding fish vertically, grabbing them by the lower lip, etc. I think this pic was the real take-away point from the article. Although I'm sure most people here already know this, and don't hold bass this way. Again though, not really based on any scientific research, but it makes sense.
Most people here also know to not grab them by the eyeballs .... no scientific research needed.
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StarTzar wrote:Most people here also know to not grab them by the eyeballs .... no scientific research needed.
Speak for yourself. I originally thought the diagram was some kind of hybrid two-bodied, single headed fish.
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StarTzar wrote:
Supernova224 wrote:There's a lot of talk about holding fish vertically, grabbing them by the lower lip, etc. I think this pic was the real take-away point from the article. Although I'm sure most people here already know this, and don't hold bass this way. Again though, not really based on any scientific research, but it makes sense.
Most people here also know to not grab them by the eyeballs .... no scientific research needed.

What do you mean Frank?? I found the eyeball eye gouge the best way to keep the fish still and to hold on. Sort of like the eyeball hook set. Fish will never get away in that hook set
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