Locked Thread - Big Minnows

Post by **ChrisS** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:05 am

Well, well, well, how convenient that the moderator who locked the thread is also an MCI member.

From Muskymatt:

They weren't...so what are you going to prove? That you hate MCI and you will do and say whatever you wish to discredit it. funny how you interprit words like consider and possible as actually having done it.

First I would like to correct a few things said by Muskymatt. I have been called a liar in the past by both you and Richard (to which the MCI moderator left those personal attacks stand). Nothing I have stated is a lie and THAT's what I can prove. Now if you want to talk about lies Matt, where did I say that MCI was behind the changes. I have only stated that the club has shown support for these ridiculous measures. Besides is MCI beyond reproach? Should we all just sit back and trust the word of a bunch of guys that are fanatical about conservation to the point that it affects non-members? I guess we should all just bow to MCI and trust in their infinite knowledge. I'm sure the club would enjoy that, however it ain't gonna happen. As long as you are targetting fishing rights, me and others will be there to keep things in check. So get used to it.

I have NEVER said I hated MCI, in fact I have fairly stated in the past that the club has done good for the fisheries in many ways. But I will also go on record to say that I do not think the club or any of it's members are qualified to tamper with our regulations. And while it may be the club's right to lobby the government for regulatory changes, it's also my right to lobby against any entity that I feel is eroding our fishing rights. And if you think I'm about to be frightened away by your lies and propoganda you're dead wrong.

From Muskymatt:

We know that Chris , since the day you took your ball and went home leaving the RJ high and dry....

I did not, repeat DID NOT leave the club high and dry without an editor for the release journal. In fact I stuck it out for 4 months after deciding to quit because I had made a commitment to do a job and I was gonna see it thru. Ken Taggart volunteered to take on the job of editor before I resigned. Better your story straight before speading more of your bs propoganda.

Sorry to any fish-hawk members who are offended by this post. I agree with protecting our fisheries, but I also feel very strongly about protecting our fishing rights. And I will NOT stand for being called a liar!!!

Post by **troutnmuskiehunter** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:37 am

Well said Chris!!

rfunfarm · Post by **rfunfarm** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:48 am

Un-confuse me please---Here in Pa Musky is year round. You have a season in Canada?? We have size restrictions but the population of Musky must be higher here. Is the season made to protect spawn??? Or is it made to limit take & therefore increase the population?? Why would you have special rules about 1 species only?? Why not it's cousin the Pike also?? Maybe I should get a copy of Canada fishin laws before I get really confused.

We have the HUSKY MUSKY CLUB here, but they have not shown interest in special regulations toward 1 species that I've seen. I quess I need to pay more attention.

Post by **muskymatt** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:15 am

Chris I still don't see how you are so threatened by everyting MCI does, you fight them all the way and you still say you don't hate them!!!

What do you support that MCI does?

The only time you post (EVER) is when you can degrade MCI.

You have a personal adjenda against MCI since you left.

How can you feel so threatened by a group that wants to preserve and conserve our resource.

MCI has absolutley no ability to create or inforce any guidelines when it comes to fishing, we can only make suggestions based on acquired info thru experience and the log program.

Seems to me you are hell bent on bashing MCI because of personal conflict and you know what I"m talking about Chris.

Yet you parade your issues under a different guise as if you are saving the planet from MCI.

I'm sorry if replying to this offends anyone but Bobber ....if you continue to let F-H be used by the likes of Chris.s to bash a group of well minded anglers then a reply can be expected.

TMH....I'm curious ....friends of C.S.?

Post by **ChrisS** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:04 am

Since when is disagreement equated with hate??? Since when is disagreement with them equated with "degrading" them? I support MCI's log program, I support the promotion of responsible use of the resource, I support the services they offer to assist in MNR projects and I support them volunteering with clean-up and rehabilitation projects. I support the mentoring of new anglers to sport, as long as the propoganda is left out of it.

What I do not support is over-regulation or regulation for the sake of regulation. The tournament issue is a perfect example. Lot's of scarce resources wasted following thru with this unnecesary agenda. Lobbying for limit changes with no scientific research to support the idea to name a few. Mostly related to reg changes.

From Muskymatt:

Seems to me you are hell bent on bashing MCI because of personal conflict and you know what I"m talking about Chris.

OK Matt you are making a claim here. I have nothing to hide....why don't you enlighten me and everyone else about this alledged "personal conflict" as I really have no idea what you are talking about. C'mon Matt let's hear it.....

Post by **Trophymuskie** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:01 am

MCI does not have the power to change regulations, that is done by the OMNR and hopefully with the support of their biologists.

MCI does so much good every single year yet Chris you come out of the woodwork every couple of months to post false accusations that MCI is taking away our rights to fish. I'm sorry MCI does not have that kind of pull, but we do work a lot with the OMNR on a multitude of projects every single year. And all not necessarily muskie related we support all that is for the betterment of our fisheries including all fish.

I bet if I look at your profile to check your recent posts it's all about lies and attacks on MCI and it's members.

It's sad to come on here and see all these lies about a great organization. Not only do we have Chris but RJ has joined the ban wagon of lies and attacks on MCI.

I guess this is the bad side of the internet.

Post by RJ » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:52 pm

I've hardly jumped on a bandwagon Richard...and I have no doubt that MCI is a great organisation as I have plunked down my $50 in the past.

But I will voice my opinion when I don't agree with a decision that has been made....

So you've made it clear that MCI had nothing to do that reg being introduced....fine...I can buy that....but then you mention that a few of your members may have put a push on it....so..whether directly or indirectly the club is involved....as an example...say the President of MCI calls up his contact at the MNR and puts that bug in his ear...and bugs him about it with "studies"....then him being who he is holds some weight with the MNR over Joe Blow off the street.....and clearly it did...

Everyone ask themselves this question...If this wasn't brought forward to muskie enthousiasts...WHO ELSE WOULD IT BE?????

Anyways...I'm tired of this whole issue anyways...a wrong was corrected my the MNR....end of story.

RJ

Post by **beeman** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:15 pm

Lets keep this civil. The last thread was starting to get out of hand. No personal insults and be careful about calling each other liars. Also be sure that you are stating actual facts, not hearsay and supposition. If necessary, I will remove this thread for further review and I do not belong to MCI or fish for Muskies. Carry on for now.

Beeman

Post by **ChrisS** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:04 am

Just as I thought Matt, lot's of talk (propoganda) and accusations, but nothing to back up your claim.....

Post by **Trophymuskie** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:49 am

ChrisS wrote:Just as I thought Matt, lot's of talk (propoganda) and accusations, but nothing to back up your claim.....

No one has to prove anything but you, you are the one who keeps coming out with lies and accusations. Just look at the first post on this thread you accuse the moderator of locking the other thread because he's an MCI guy. I'm sure that's it , it can't be because of your slanderous remarks.

We have our BOD meeting coming up in a couple of weeks, I wonder what I can come up with to take away next. Maybe we can ban fishing for all Chesterville residents.

Post by **matcole** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:59 am

c'mon guys! this is getting out of hand.

Post by **Andy_L** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:31 am

you're right....it is getting out of hand. Keep it civil guys, without the accusations etc

I'm not a member of ANYTHING and i WILL lock this down or delete it. Feel free to DISCUSS the issue....just don't make it personal please

Andy

Post by **creeky** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:15 am

hey just a shout up, ChrisS, who i have fished with, is a stand up guy, a great guy

who did a lot of work for MCI and the news letter. much better than his replacement!
MCI has been driving out a lot of guys with a really puritanical attitude towards musky fishing. I know 'cause I was a member for 3 years and I saw all the guys that quit cause MC kept pushing for tournament regs, and you had to hold the fish just this way, and they didn't like live bait, and if you wore your shorts for more than two days well you were a bad man who needed to be spanked (oops that last one was my dominatrix) ...
MCI -- go back to being a musky club for guys who fish musky. Tone down the "education" and turn off the negative attacks on people like ChrisS and others ...
tophumyskie/mistymutt ... if we "preserve" our musky resource it means YOU can't fish. it's too bad, cause it was a good club but a few "leaders" are tied in bad knots and need to find lives.
ps-I like MC's latest "rule" that no one is allowed to interject wit humerous conversation ... oooo ... fun club

Post by **muskymatt** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:40 am

No comment necessary for that one.