Hello Everyone,
I was just wondering if anyone uses and has success on Single Willow Spinnerbaits? I have a bunch of them but I never use them and I am just trying to justify why they are taking up space in my SB box right now. I use mostly Double Willow and Tandem Colorado/Willow Spinnerbaits, and do well with them. I also have Single and Double Colorado Spinnerbaits too, but due to the relatively clear water around here I rarely use them. I more or less just keep them around just in case I run into a dirty lake or river system. But again what I can't seem to think of is any application where a Single Willow Bait would be usefull. I realize that they give off good flash, but anytime I need a bait with any kind of flash it just seems to make more sense to use double, tripple or even quad willow blade spinnerbaits. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks
Aric
Single Willow Spinnerbaits
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Mrtopwater2
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kunobasski
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Aric,
You know, a good time to throw a single blade willow is in a clear water situation and you have felt out the fish and they are looking for a bait with a smaller profile. Times like during a stalled weather front, severe change in temp conditions, or on flat calm day is a good bet.
Also, during post spawn is another great time to whip these blades as in some cases, it may attract attention from spawned out hens reluctant to eat a fast moving bait. Well that is to say, you can slow your retrieve considerably, but still keep it moving fast enough to keep the blades spinning and not give the fish a good look at it, more a profile view if needed.
If ya have room, put a couple in your box, you never know when it may come into play. They are a great bait to generate reaction strikes and you can really cover alot of water if required.
Good Luck
Tkuno
You know, a good time to throw a single blade willow is in a clear water situation and you have felt out the fish and they are looking for a bait with a smaller profile. Times like during a stalled weather front, severe change in temp conditions, or on flat calm day is a good bet.
Also, during post spawn is another great time to whip these blades as in some cases, it may attract attention from spawned out hens reluctant to eat a fast moving bait. Well that is to say, you can slow your retrieve considerably, but still keep it moving fast enough to keep the blades spinning and not give the fish a good look at it, more a profile view if needed.
If ya have room, put a couple in your box, you never know when it may come into play. They are a great bait to generate reaction strikes and you can really cover alot of water if required.
Good Luck
Tkuno
I find that with single blades, espically willowleafs, I can fish them a lot deeper than a tandem setup. Sometimes a deep slow roll just is too slow and when you speed it up, tandem blades tend to rise out of the zone. Ripping a deep single willowleaf deep along the edge of a weed bed and wake up otherwise slugish fish.
There are always a couple in my bag.
There are always a couple in my bag.
Aric,
We have caught a l o t of smallies using the single blade spinnerbait. Used both the Colorado and willow blade. We even catch pike on them as well. As you know and IanD pointed out, the willow blade runs deeper.
As for a suggestion, you could box up all you have and ship them to me if you want.
Try them the next time you want to us a spinnerbait and let us know how you did.
Eagle
We have caught a l o t of smallies using the single blade spinnerbait. Used both the Colorado and willow blade. We even catch pike on them as well. As you know and IanD pointed out, the willow blade runs deeper.
As for a suggestion, you could box up all you have and ship them to me if you want.
Try them the next time you want to us a spinnerbait and let us know how you did.
Eagle
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grumpy7790
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Single Willow
I throw the Hart Throb single willow bait on ultra clear lakes. The baits run deeper because of less lift and can be aslo burned without rolling over. Single willow can also be cast further distances on very windy days because they tend to never helicopter.
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Seems to me that in murky water, a single blade would be a safer bet for sending out vibrations. Double blades have double flash, but I think that they potentially send out zero vibrations.
Based on simple wave theory that we learn in high school, it makes sense that the vibrations that are sent out by each blade on a double-blade spinnerbaits are either cancelling each other out, adding together for a stronger vibration, or somewhere in-between.
The blade sends out vibrations at a certain frequency (which can be represented as a waveform, like a sinusoidal wave). If there are two vibrations, the waveforms are added together.
If the vibration frequencies are the same, and they are in phase (the peaks of each waveform line up) , then their waveforms are added together -- makes the vibrations stronger.
If the vibration frequencies are out of sync by a half phase (The highest point of one wave lines up with the lowest point of the other wave) the waveforms cancel each other out -- no vibration.
So, potentially, a double-willow bait can be sending out lots of flash, and either double the vibrations
, or no vibrations 
, or somewhere in-between 
.
Anybody ever read anything about this? I'd like to hear about any articles or experiences that back up my theory, or shoot it down....
thanks
scott
Based on simple wave theory that we learn in high school, it makes sense that the vibrations that are sent out by each blade on a double-blade spinnerbaits are either cancelling each other out, adding together for a stronger vibration, or somewhere in-between.
The blade sends out vibrations at a certain frequency (which can be represented as a waveform, like a sinusoidal wave). If there are two vibrations, the waveforms are added together.
If the vibration frequencies are the same, and they are in phase (the peaks of each waveform line up) , then their waveforms are added together -- makes the vibrations stronger.
If the vibration frequencies are out of sync by a half phase (The highest point of one wave lines up with the lowest point of the other wave) the waveforms cancel each other out -- no vibration.
So, potentially, a double-willow bait can be sending out lots of flash, and either double the vibrations
, or no vibrations , or somewhere in-between .Anybody ever read anything about this? I'd like to hear about any articles or experiences that back up my theory, or shoot it down....
thanks
scott
Dude, you thinking of a 2 dimensional wave.
In three dimensions, the physics aren't as simple. For one thing, the speed at which harmonics travel through water is so fast that unless the spinnerbait is calibrated to something nearing 1/1000 of an inch, your just going to produce a repeating but random wave. Plus the inconsistencies of the water, any dirt, the bottom, temperature variations ect will all play a part. Plus if your spinner is calibrates, your first fish will bend it enough to uncalibrate it.
It is very hard for variable speed system to produce standing waves which will either cancel or double the amplitude of the wave you may get a double wave, or a cancellation for a few revolutions of the blade, but for any length of time, both will combine to create a fuzzy wave if you looked at a frequecny-amplitude display of this system.
When you do get the standing wave formation, it will onyl seem to be standing in one point in relation to the spinnerbait (this is cause of the 3d system)
Take two speakers and aim them in the same direction, and only at one point in the room will it cancel out, the rest should sound good or reasonable close to it.
In three dimensions, the physics aren't as simple. For one thing, the speed at which harmonics travel through water is so fast that unless the spinnerbait is calibrated to something nearing 1/1000 of an inch, your just going to produce a repeating but random wave. Plus the inconsistencies of the water, any dirt, the bottom, temperature variations ect will all play a part. Plus if your spinner is calibrates, your first fish will bend it enough to uncalibrate it.
It is very hard for variable speed system to produce standing waves which will either cancel or double the amplitude of the wave you may get a double wave, or a cancellation for a few revolutions of the blade, but for any length of time, both will combine to create a fuzzy wave if you looked at a frequecny-amplitude display of this system.
When you do get the standing wave formation, it will onyl seem to be standing in one point in relation to the spinnerbait (this is cause of the 3d system)
Take two speakers and aim them in the same direction, and only at one point in the room will it cancel out, the rest should sound good or reasonable close to it.
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kunobasski
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blades?
Dudes, if you want to make noise, willow blades are not the way to go at any time....thier 95% flash and draw most strikes visually.
Colorado blades, short, concave, displace alot of water and send that thump thump thump noise throughthe water.....
thats fisherman talk...even reading those last two posts, as smart as they were (i'm, jealous)...made me brake out the calculator and figure out a 15 page math problem from grade 10..
All I figured out was a quote from neil young " numbers add up to nothing"
Senko's now there's a nice quite bait.
Colorado blades, short, concave, displace alot of water and send that thump thump thump noise throughthe water.....
thats fisherman talk...even reading those last two posts, as smart as they were (i'm, jealous)...made me brake out the calculator and figure out a 15 page math problem from grade 10..
All I figured out was a quote from neil young " numbers add up to nothing"
Senko's now there's a nice quite bait.
I thought the answer was 42?
Right, 3 dimensions. I was talking 2 dims model just to simplify expressing the idea. And yeah, the perfect standing waves perfectly synchronized is obviously a theoretical ideal, I would never expect to see it in practice. But anyways, thanks for the input, you've complicated things tremeandously! But I still think that they do interfere with each other - I just don't know to what extent, and whether it affects fish attraction. Maybe we should do some field testing....
And using colorado blades... thanks kunobasski
Right, 3 dimensions. I was talking 2 dims model just to simplify expressing the idea. And yeah, the perfect standing waves perfectly synchronized is obviously a theoretical ideal, I would never expect to see it in practice. But anyways, thanks for the input, you've complicated things tremeandously! But I still think that they do interfere with each other - I just don't know to what extent, and whether it affects fish attraction. Maybe we should do some field testing....
And using colorado blades... thanks kunobasski
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Thanks a bunch guys! I think I have a good idea as to what I will try them for. I have always throw a DD crankbait or carolina rig along those deep weeds when I am searching for fish, but I like the idea of a spinnerbait. I have always avoided it for the very reason mentioned above, the double blade baits never stay deep enough to be effective in that situation...Thanks again!
Aric
Aric