Sturgeon Question

[Todd B.]

actualy i can guive fish to people that dont have permits..so what if they get stop..they dont have even a permit..but its legal for me to guive it to them.

If they do not have a permit they are not legally entitled to possess them.

even in the same region..like here i can be fishing in zone 10 and 25 in the same 5min period...but there some size limit deference in both zone..but i am in akayak and can fish both zone in the lenght off 10 feet..gatineau river and ottawa river they join..but 2 deferent zone..

Hmmmm....let's see the CO stops you on the water with fish that are illegal (slot size for example) for that zone. Question is whether he will believe that you caught them in the other zone or not. In cases like this you put yourself at the descretion of the CO.

[joco]

todd b...i can guive my fish to anyone permit or not.

but they count in my limit.


you telling me i am going back home wit my fish and nobody hesle can eat it but me..because i am the one wit the permit...hahaha.

i can home and guive it to my naber or parents or wathever.no prob.

joco

[Todd B.]

joco,

I never said you couldn't give them away. What I said was that if you don't have a permit it's illegal possess them. You're not responsible if a CO checks them.

[joco]

you said..... What I said was that if you don't have a permit it's illegal possess them

and you said....If they do not have a permit they are not legally entitled to possess them

so i am kind off..???..wit the.........IF THEY DO NOT..




me..i never said i did not had a permit i always have my qc and ont one...

missunderstanding here...no prob..

later....so sometime let do a outhing and a shore lunch... will guive you some fish..haha

joco

[Super]

Hi
Many years ago I helped someone clean a legal sturgeon and try and get some meat for eating, the same plan you have.
Both of us very good at cleaning fish.
I think we would have got more meat off a couple of sunfish and we both said afterwards that we would never even think of killing a big fish for so little meat.
The skin (armor) is difficult to take off. There are no bones, just cartilidge and it was like trying to get the meat off pork ribs before it is cooked.
The only way there might be some meat would be to cook it whole but even then, I think you would be sad to have killed a fish for a few mouthfuls. It would be like killing a walleye just to eat the cheek meat.
So as others said, buy the smoked fish, but I would not even support that industry.
Super

[GuinnessGuy]

looks like I started something here...

So maybe it's not a good idea to keep one from the Ottawa River. I'm ok with that. As far as the toxins go, you're all right. A 10-20 year-old sturgeon would carry way more mercury than a 2-lbs catfish or bass. (And a 2-pound sturgeon isn't much fun to catch).

As far as buying it from a smoke house in Chelsea, I just might try that. I do know of a good spot on the Gatineau River (Joco, you and I have discussed this by PM a while ago), and I'd like to keep one in the 8-12 lbs range to try it. The Gatineau river is practically pristine waters.

Jamsers: I don't want to start a fight (à la FishingLife420), but I laughed at your Beluga Caviar... At first, I thought: "there's no such thing as beluga caviar... Beluga's are mammals and don't lay eggs." But before I posted, I read up on it. Beluga caviar is from the beluga sturgeon, a different species of sturgeon (not related to beluga whales, or mammals).

Todd B: I'm really curious as to what the CO says about the transport/possession of fish. Please send/post what you get back. In my opinion, possession is possession, but the angler must be given the benefit of the doubt that the fish was caught legally, in a zone that permitted. The example I'll give is that I go to the Gouin (Zone 14, QBC) every year. I bring back my 8 walleye. Driving home, I cross Zone 12, Zone 11, Zone 10 and Zone 25 on the Quebec side (all possession limit of 6 walleye) and I cross Zone 12 Ontario (possession limit 5) and live in Zone 18 (possession limit 4). To be legal, all the way home, I'd need to eat 4 of the fish as I drive home.

I'm really curious as to what the CO tells you.

BeaArthur

[GuinnessGuy]

... and YES, that is a Gatineau River, 8-pound sturgeon in my avatar. C&R, that time.

BeaArthur

[Jimmy_1]

No fight intended man,

Just thinking the sturgeon should be left to swim another day!

(Yes, I know the Sturgeon in the Ottawa are not Beluga. The point was that they used to be in abundance (Beluga etc). Sturgeon pops on a whole *seem* to be dwindling)

[Chewie]

I love to fish for sturgeon in Orleans often. I don't keep 'em ( or any other species from there) as I know the water quality is not very good. My mother grew up on the Ottawa River in Clarence and said that when she was young you could see the bottom of the river no matter how far you swam out. Not any more. Any way, I crimp my hooks for the sturgeon and use very large hooks as I often catch Drum who tend to swallow the hooks right down to thier butt and this helps prevent that. One more thing....there are not very many big sturgeon due to pollution. The largest my gang caught was 60 inches ( no weight) but the average is 30 inch.

[Todd B.]

Here is the response I received from the MNR w.r.t. a roadside check involving fish taken from one zone (legally) but are illegal (currently out of season) in the zone where the inspection is performed.

This happens all the time Todd. It is up to the officer to investigate and ask questions to determine if there is a violation. Not always easy as you can see. This is legal and unless a conservation Officer has reason to believe otherwise then you would be fine.

If anyone else has any regulation related questions I'd suggest sending an email to Derek Hebner in the Pembroke District MNR office.
derek.hebner@ontario.ca

[joco]

chewi..I love to fish for sturgeon in Orleans often

orleans right now as a lot off food for strugons wit those zillions off galons off waste going down there..no prob feading bottom feding fish..............warkkkkkkk .

but yep saw a few people catching them over there at petrie on ice.


i do think there more higher part off the ottawa taugh..closer to fort coulonge area.

saw some...sturgeons spawning a few years back in black river down the little private power dams.

and the commercial fishermans do fish for them in that area.(one off them).

and there is still alot off meeth on them...plus you have to make sher to get that nerv full off littl eball out off it spinal..its a weird thing..just pull that thing like a rope..and its longgggggggggg.

for fish soup we use to boil it twice..its a greasy fish.

that is why its good to smoke..it those not dry as mutch as other fish to greasy.


joco

[joco]

here SUPER.

a better to way to get a bit more meat.

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index ... pic=7082.0

http://www.fishinglakes.com/SturgeonFilletMethod.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOFnE5CmSg


but like i said..go to a smoke house an dget a little pack for 20$..


joco