The guy in the yellow Canoe on Dog Lake...

[kingston-Mike]

Just wanted to say to the guy with the Bass boat on the lower end of Dog Lake early this morning a HUGE thank you for your courtesy.

You saw me sitting in my yellow canoe fishing and you waited until you were well past me before taking off full throttle. You are a rare breed.

The *majority* (yes, indeed the majority!) don't consider the risk you put me at with your wake from the 75-150hp on your boat. Every now and then, one will actually slow down until you've passed (which is, actually, the law).

My wife and I have come to enjoy being on the water, but from experience, will venture on the bigger lakes only the first 3-4 hours after sunrise, after that, too dangerous. The exception of course, the smaller, lesser used lakes.

Again, thank you for your thoughtfullness.

[Carmine13]

im one of the majority who doesnt slow down but i do pull away for smaller boats/canoes. i dont think slowing down is nessary just pull away a little and your good. no matter how big a wake is someone is going to complain your wake is to big if thier in a dingy or canoe and when i get a brand new bass boat with 250hp i sure as hell aint slowing down( i will turn away from you though so u dont get hit too too hard but im not slowing down THE FISH ARE WAITING!!!!!). survival of the fittest!!!

[almontefisher]

im one of the majority who doesnt slow down but i do pull away for smaller boats/canoes. i dont think slowing down is nessary just pull away a little and your good. no matter how big a wake is someone is going to complain your wake is to big if thier in a dingy or canoe and when i get a brand new bass boat with 250hp i sure as hell aint slowing down( i will turn away from you though so u dont get hit too too hard but im not slowing down THE FISH ARE WAITING!!!!!). survival of the fittest!!!

wow really???? Is this how you think or are you just being sarcastic???

You do know that waves continue across the water and get's more choppy as it moves??? Canoes and kayaks are tippy with any wave let alone some guy in a bass boat running @ 60mph making tidal waves...Is it so difficult to slow the boat down for less than 1 minute...Hate to say this but the fish are always in the water somewhere.

[steve-hamilton]

remember, carmine has a lot of learning still to do....

i'm sure his father, who is driving the boat, has more courtesy than him.

[fatluke]

im one of the majority who doesnt slow down but i do pull away for smaller boats/canoes. i dont think slowing down is nessary just pull away a little and your good. no matter how big a wake is someone is going to complain your wake is to big if thier in a dingy or canoe and when i get a brand new bass boat with 250hp i sure as hell aint slowing down( i will turn away from you though so u dont get hit too too hard but im not slowing down THE FISH ARE WAITING!!!!!). survival of the fittest!!!

wow really???? Is this how you think or are you just being sarcastic???

You do know that waves continue across the water and get's more choppy as it moves??? Canoes and kayaks are tippy with any wave let alone some guy in a bass boat running @ 60mph making tidal waves...Is it so difficult to slow the boat down for less than 1 minute...Hate to say this but the fish are always in the water somewhere.

Number 1: the kid is 16. 'nuff said.

Number 2: if the boat is already on plane at 60mph when passing a canoe or kayak, it would be much less wake staying at top speed than slowing down. However if the boat was close by, and took off near a canoe or kayak, that would create the huge wake...

c'mon almonte..... you should know that. Bass boats hardly make a wake at 60mph.

[jwhite]

If I slow down for a canoe he's only going to be getting more wake.

On plane the wake I create is minimal.....at wide open throttle (70mph)I'm barely touching the water.

[almontefisher]

The wake at the boat is small guys but it travels and gets choppy...hard to see when you are 50miles down water from the wake you made...It is like a sunami...it starts small and gets bigger and choppier ( is that a word ). I know he is 16 but that is definatly old enough to be taught right and wrong. Was only making sure he knew and also making sure he was sarcastic. Also why would you slow down at the canoe...slow down way before and be courtious to them. They are not going to get to your fishing spot before you

"On plane the wake I create is minimal.....at wide open throttle (70mph)I'm barely touching the water. "

If this is true then why do we have no wake zones with a 5mph max...if we create less waves at 70 then should they not say " No wake zone...drive er like ya stole her"

[Jimmy_1]

I heard 2 guys got hurt on the St.Lawrence Renegade this past w/e.
They hit a wake from a tanker at high speed. 1 guy is in the hospital.

Horrible, horrible thing to happen. My point is at high speeds you lose control. Just because a boat CAN go 70mph doesn't mean you should always do so.

Living on the Mississippi I can say that being in a kayak is not fun when a bass boat/wakeboard boat go by at full boogie. The wake does increase and I agree with Almonte.

But there is driving at high speed and then there is driving recklessly at high speed.

[beachburger]

If this is true then why do we have no wake zones with a 5mph max...if we create less waves at 70 then should they not say " No wake zone...drive er like ya stole her"

A no-wake and a speed limit are mutually exclusive. If you are operating a boat that throws a huge wake at the speed limit, you should be running at a lower speed so as to not create a wake. For many big cruisers, this means idle speed. If you are operating a boat that does not throw much of a wake, then the speed limit applies.

[Out4trout]

The wake is a function of water displacement and velocity.

Riding up on plane = small wake (minimal water displacement)
Slowing down to off plane = huge wake (significant water displacement and speed)
Cruising @ <5mph = small wake (significant displacement but minimal speed)

The worst thing to do is to come off plane, creating a huge wave, then resuming on plane after passing the canoe.

My choice is usually to stay on plane and give the canoe a wide berth, or come off plane early and chug past <5mph (if there are children in the canoe)

[Yannick Loranger]

Hey guys,
I posted earlier this summer after a yacht drove right by me at high speed and swamped my boat. A bass boat drove right by me at high speed the other day and made NO WAKE.

A bass boat pretty much bounces on the water at top speed, a cruising style boat still has alot of hull below the surface hence displaces alot of water hence makes big rolling waves. So, I think Carmine is okay in this situation.

Tight lines,
Yannick

[Jimmy_1]

Carmine,

Any pics of your 70mph bass boat?

[Todd B.]

The discussion peaked my interest so I decided to reread the boating regulations.

No where could I find a reference requiring an operator to slow down when passing a canoe, etc. Rather the regulations simply state that it is the operator's responsibilty ensure that their wake (or wash) does not cause a canoe, rowboat, etc to capsize. It all boils down to the "safe" operation of your boat.

Now the side discussion regarding No Wake Zones and Speed Limits, if they're posted everyone is legally required to abide by them. The bass boats may not throw the same wake as a deep V, unfortunately they don't receive any special status if when the restictions are posted.

[almontefisher]

I guess what I was thinking with waves is a canoe or kayak are usually close to shore and as a wave comes into shallower waters they increase in speed and severity...So no matter how small a wake is in the middle of the lake it will eventually get large enough to swamp a canoe. So I guess if the guy is in the middle of the lake in a canoe then going like a bat out of hell is better...but when it hits shallow water look out.

Read this...it is more on oceans but almost similar principals.


http://www.antrimdesign.com/articles/waves.html

[jwhite]

Carmine,

Any pics of your 70mph bass boat?

I didn't see him claim anywhere he has a bass boat that does 70mph.

Mine does though!