Could Government actually ban public fishing rights??

Post by **MLR** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:10 am

As per Bobber's thread
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Guess who is on the guest list to have input and influence the top 40

World Wildlife Fund, they have been working to promote MPA's for years.

Once they have secured MPA's in the States, Canada will be under huge pressure to follow suit, especially the rivers and lakes that the border runs through.

Also, just imagine the pressure our Ontario fishery would have added to it, if Americans can't fish at home and they start comming here.

Sure it would be an economical boom for the tourism industry, but a bust for our already depleting resources.

Does anyone know if OFAH has been working on any counter measures?[/url]

Post by **Big Jim** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:20 am

I know SHIMANO is, and as usual ...they are investing in our future as anglers ...get on the band wagon boy's and girls ...the Great Lakes and thier tribs are on the list ...Sierra Club is one of the real front runners here.

LARGE~~~~~~~~~~~~~out'

Post by **fishermccann** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:31 pm

Be anti- government, fish anyway, try to get a court date so we can all show up!

Post by **Jimmy_1** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:12 am

All jokes aside this is very,very serious!

OFAH is constantly reporting on Gov't steps to continue bans on firearms. Had Martin won, I shudder to think.....

Fishing and hunting rights of all Canadians and North Americans does continuously become threatened. The likes of PETA etc put a lot of pressure on Gov'ts and I would not at all be surprised if there were some
serious "under-the-table"....."donations" being made.....

Its not all propoganda, but quite a bit is!!!

More info read in OFAH, SHIMANO etc.

Post by **shore finder** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:27 am

bucketmouth wrote:Like we'd have the resources to police a no-fishing law! MNR is already understaffed and I think the police are well busy writing tickets and busting grow ops...

If the fines are there the police would make it a priority.

Post by **Canmoore** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:55 pm

I honestly cannot see this happening, sure some granola's may huff and puff, but in all honestly. I do not see a complete ban on fishing in NA.

Sure a few more Marine Protected Area's may pop up, but I am completely in favour of more MPA's.

But I really do not think that this will happen in either Ottawa or Washington

Obama can say whatever he wants, but it has to pass the house than the senate. The true power in America lies in the Senate.. and a bunch of rich senators who like to fly fish in Alaska are not going to allow some granola's to ruin there fun

As for Canada, fishing is apart of our culture. I can easily see a charter challenge, stating that you cannot ban fishing, because it is apart of our culture.

If a charter challenge can allow muslims to wear cerimonial knives to sporting events and classrooms, that it will allow people to fish the lakes and rivers that we have been doing since people first came to Canada!!!

Post by **Big Jim** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:12 pm

Canmore, if you are in favour of more MPA's???

What happens when the Great Lakes is "one more"?? It is the one that is receiving much attention from what I have read ...and it includes TRIBUTARIES.

Guess I can sum the whole thing up with the words "SPRING BEAR HUNT" ...DON'T THINK FOR A SECOND THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN RIGHT HERE...

BIG JIM~~~~~~~~~~~~`out'

Post by **Eli** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:34 pm

MPA ≠ outright ban on angling.
if done right, MPAs can actually improve angling substantially.

Post by **Canmoore** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:35 pm

I dont understand it, people get all gitty when the government turns forests into protected areas, where logging or hunting cannot be done. Do we not agree that some protected forest is needed as a safe zone for species to thrive?

Yet people are not in agreeance with MPA's? Is it not the same thing, preserving an area of a fragile marine ecosystem from commercial/sport fishing, drilling, and operation of combustion engines?

Yes, it is true that fish do not see lines on a map. However, if an area of spawning bed is preserved from being damaged by prop wash, oil spills, dredging or bottom trawling, than fish will have a better chance at thriving.

I do not hear people running for the hills, scared that the government is going to ban all entry logging/hunting/recreational use of crown land... Of course this will never happen, however i am sure the Granola's would love to see it happen.

Same thing goes for our Marine ecosystems, more MPA's is a good thing. Saying that the entire great lakes, and all of its tributaries, along with every body of water in Canada will be one huge MPA is ludacris.

These Granola Crunchers are just making noise, alot of people think that the sky is falling. Me, I do not think for one second that this will ever come to fruition.

Just a bunch of smoke!

*EDIT*

Eli wrote:MPA ≠ outright ban on angling.
if done right, MPAs can actually improve angling substantially.

You were faster than me to post a reply!! However, I am in complete agreeance with your statement!

Post by **Canmoore** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:37 pm

bah... double post

Post by **Big Jim** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:16 pm

The way I see it is either you are in or you are out ...these people wan't ALL fishing and hunting stopped, they want ALL people who eat meat to come to their senses?? ...they want the paths that run through Stanley Park in Vancouver ripped up and restored with no public access.

What people don't get here is that these groups have power...money and power...Oh ya and I forgot more MONEY and they don't want to do what is good for nature or all of us...they want to do what they want done ..."just their own adgenda" no compromise to make it good for all of us.

Just remember the Shad Foundation getting the spring bear hunt banned...power, money and politics in the 416 exchange my friends and they are coming for us behind closed doors in many cases.

Have a GREAT WEEKEND

BIG JIM

Post by **stclairhound** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:29 am

Here's some reading

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/mpaloc.html

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/oceans-habitat ... /mpa_e.pdf

http://www.pc.gc.ca/progs/amnc-nmca/intro_e.asp

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/salt ... id=4975762

Read it, it's already here! More will come

Post by **scuro** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:06 pm

We got some Libertarians freaking out about government "control". Next thing we are going read is about how this is a "one government" world domination plot. Protection of habitat works if done right, and there is no reason that government and fishermen can't work together to do so. Lobby for that, but this incessant fear mongering grows old...

Post by **Big Jim** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:31 pm

Scuro, we can work it out with the Gov't ...it is the "adgenda driven special interest groups" that don't understand give and take....

BIG JIM

Post by **Out4trout** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:42 pm

scuro wrote:We got some Libertarians freaking out about government "control".

Root word of Libertarian is Liberty, = Freedom.
Our soldiers in WW1 and WW2 were "libertarian" who felt so strongly about our freedom, that many gave their lives for the freedoms we enjoy today. I'm thankful of the sacrifice they made, and the freedoms we have as a result.

scuro wrote: Next thing we are going read is about how this is a "one government" world domination plot.

Oh really? The first person to bring up this nonsense is who?

I would suggest that people (a) not take the freedoms we have lightly, (b) be careful creating words that nobody has posted... it is quite demeaning to those who actually wish to keep the freedoms we now enjoy, and who are actually making quite valid points in this thread.

My first posting into this thread... and last...

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Could Government actually ban public fishing rights??

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