bass tournaments=dead fish

[muskymatt]

Why waste a good fish.....fry and enjoy!!

Hey if muskies were more resilient, reproduced faster and didn't have such a huge legal size....I would eat them too.

I agree with Joco...fish mortality happens when you fish if you like it or not.

Bass is a great tasting fish (once in a while) and they breed like cockroaches so a few here and there won't be missed.

Tournament angler imo are the least worry for population depletion.

Think about it...it's their bread and butter, why shoot yourself in the foot.


In the mean time...................

[joco]

and is those stat say the numbers off bass kill in the pre fishing to.?

because some are..right..or its imposible.?

stats.====== dont even start wit those...its number for the orgainser to feel good about themself.and show numbers to people hey we only kill one bass today we are so good...... .

but.the truth is we miabe kill.a few doz..mabe not..we dont no..so i dont want to see stats that are numbers that are drop ..and dont show the pure truth beind all this bs..bass derbuy thinkg.

hey its kil fish and that is it..what can be done........stop bass derbies would be the best thing..but gain its ahuge buisenss it will never stop..people enjoy this and buisness and people live out off some income out off this and so on.

joco.

[joco]

Why waste a good fish.....fry and enjoy!!

Hey if muskies were more resilient, reproduced faster and didn't have such a huge legal size....I would eat them too.

I agree with Joco...fish mortality happens when you fish if you like it or not.

Bass is a great tasting fish (once in a while) and they breed like cockroaches so a few here and there won't be missed.

Tournament angler imo are the least worry for population depletion.

Think about it...it's their bread and butter, why shoot yourself in the foot.


In the mean time...................

mouaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

i would stop all that weigthing thing and do fish fry at all weight in.

cooking contest.




the same thing happen in musky derby some musky dies. same for all derbies and species..but the bass one is worst because more derbies and more publicity is made about it and bass fishing.

joco

[JimW]

joco,

I get your point if you fish, whether in a bass tournament or in a kayak, fish will die, you have mentioned that several times. So are you saying we should not fish and take up another hobby? I am just not sure what the point of your several similar posts are?

I agree stats are not 100% reliable, but stats are better than just "hear say". You mention tournaments kill more bass than anything else, what to you have to back that up?

The MNR website states..."About 1.27 million anglers fish in Ontario each year.".... of that 1.27 million people fishing and potentially killing fish how many do you think are tournament anglers?

If there were 12 700 bass tournament anglers in Ontario (I doubt it is that high).... that would be only 1 % of the people fishing in Ontario. I don't think 1% of the fisherman kill more than the other 99% of the anglers. (I'm sorry for the numbers and stats, I'm a science/math guy, so I like numbers and evidence).

I help organize our OVS Bassmasters club tournaments and events and posting stats, no way makes me feel better about myself, and the tournaments have nothing to do with money for most Canadians (they is not enough money in it).

Here is another question for everyone to think about, yes bass fishing kills bass, but on most bodies of water, such as the Ottawa river has the quality of bass fishing decreased over the last few years? I don't think it has.

A bigger threat, especially to the ottawa river is the sewage and other pollution in the river.

We could all take up another hobby for friendly competition, such as golf, but then think of the habitat destruction to build more courses, and pesticide run-off.

Everyone is on this site because they enjoy fishing, and it is up to everyone to protect the resource as best we can not matter what type of fishing you do.

JimW

[joco]

hi JIM.

i do respect you and all off you for that mather.

i am not saying to stop fishing.

hey i kill fish myself by accedent or to eat yes i eat some to..but less and less..none for the past 3 years.or so.

what can say..to stop fishing for bass.or stop bass derbies..hey it would kill less fish..yes..that is the truth and its the case nothing we can do...

less fish less killing off fish any knd off fishing

do bass derbies kill fish..???

do bass derbie push the bass fishing.?

do they push product and more and more derbies..yes...so what can say..i am just saying the fact the more derbies the more fish kills..yes we are talking about bass now..but its the same for all species actualy frome crappies to cats to walleye wathever species..more fisherman fish fror them more get kill..its a fact.

but for derbies..bass derbies is the most popular ones..in north americas...so many derbies all over we see them on tv everyday and so on..so the big machine off the bass fishing industry push bass fishing like i said its just a big buiseness.



i am not saying to stop fishing.hey its a nice sport and it bring peole in the natures and it those help the economy..but i dont want to see...stats..BS stats..to guive some fake numbers to people to help there cause.

because there no way not even close they can no how mutch bass die frome those injuries...from the derbies and pree fishing off those derbies.

i say to all fish but dont BS people aroun wit stats..that are like no way accurateat all..and try some polic moves on peoples.to say derbies is safe for bass ad so on.

like said..yes derbies people are doing what they can to help..but wen a bass deap hook a texas worm rig...to deap and it bleed like hell survive the weight in..but how long wit it survive.after...?


fishing kill fish......pure and simple.


but fishing is fun...and sher would like to see more people doing it.

if someone dont want to see bass or any spceies die..just dont fish for them because there is a good%% that it might get kill or very badly hurt and die in the next days...%?? we dont no.

but fish do die frome injuries frome fishing...thats is a fact.

joco.

[joco]

jim you said... You mention tournaments kill more bass than anything else, what to you have to back that up?


just think about it.

you see the numbers....200 bass to wathver bass braught in at weight in only...one derbie..that is the braught in..could be 500 bass caught and some hookt or realsease....this is for one derby.

how many derbies in one season in north america...?

so how many 100 000 if not millions bass caught or wathever for those derbies....some % will die derecly frome those derbies right..no one cant say not will die. .

ok now..you see those derbies on tv..and see BIGGGGGGG $$$$ to win.

so it bring more people to the sport right..?.RIGHT.

$$$$ bring people..that is so true in anything.

so more people see the bass fishing on tv the more people fish for them and so on its just a biog circle..the more people the bigger the jackpot..so what comes out off this...more peopel fishing more bass get kill....not hard to see this at all.

so what comes out off the...........tournement kill more basss then anything hesle...that is why..becasue its the big buiness being this bass derbies and all off them.

anyone can say this is not true....??????

that more people=more derbies=more fish kills.?

now we talk about bass becasue we talk bass.

it would be the same for any derbies..but the bass is the one that we see all over and the most .





ill say one thing...just look at bass in other country....bas is like nothing at all....ho care about bass.....but some country think carp.wow..they care about there carp even more that what we care about bass here.

so what braught the bass way up in the spending..and so mutch $$ the people braught it there big buisenss...the derbies all beind this.

so derbies kill fish.......................YES.

stats...........no good....just nice paper work to show fals numbers becasue no one can no the truth.


just saying..you guy can fish bass and kill them if you want..pref not..but its legal to do so..but saying stuff.or stats....please dont..stuff stuff down are troath..wit fasll numbers to make the sport look good is BS that is so unreal. and untruthfull.

joco


and JIm ou are so right wit the stuff we dump in the ottawa river..this could kill even more bass.prob..or those gas and oil dump by boats all season long etc..a lot off stuff can kill fish.

and i wish some great derby season to all.

i wish monster to all some nice prize to all.

and be carefull to the fish.

i still think the livewell thing all day is not good.they should be something hesle.then that.

[cgates]

K new topic it time to stop crying about dead fish its a fact of life and I'm sorry if this offends anybody it up to the angler to take care of there fishies and if you have one die bring it home with you and do what you want with it just don't drop it back on the lake

[joco]

K new topic it time to stop crying about dead fish its a fact of life and I'm sorry if this offends anybody it up to the angler to take care of there fishies and if you have one die bring it home with you and do what you want with it just don't drop it back on the lake

YES.so true.

but will see this in derby nope it will get dump prob and it will get replace by a live one...sher cant be seen wit a dead bass in the boat to eat later on..those not look good at all..but trow it over board is ok.jeeeeeee

so kill a fish and waste it..way to go..nice sportsmanship.

joco

[Big Bass 444]

Competing!...bragging rights!!.....that's right I made a promess ..I willl stop there...and I edited what I just wrote a few mins back...mybad!!.. sorry!

[cgates]

K new topic it time to stop crying about dead fish its a fact of life and I'm sorry if this offends anybody it up to the angler to take care of there fishies and if you have one die bring it home with you and do what you want with it just don't drop it back on the lake

YES.so true.

but will see this in derby nope it will get dump prob and it will get replace by a live one...sher cant be seen wit a dead bass in the boat to eat later on..those not look good at all..but trow it over board is ok.jeeeeeee

so kill a fish and waste it..way to go..nice sportsmanship.

joco

I eat bass all the time but this all started after a the ottawariver tournament I will never eat fish from the ottawa river I'm sure that some guys put a dead one in the ice chest in there bass boats and you will never know about it ask no questions and nothing gets said we had a dead but what to say that they were hooked bad and are bleeding and under 12in what do you do let them go or bring up a lake trout to fast when you are fishing for smallies let it go and it just floats on its side and dies what do you do like a said it up to the man in the boat if he can't do the right thing because it may look bad then so be it but you will never see my throw back dead fish or let it die on the surface

[JimW]

K new topic it time to stop crying about dead fish its a fact of life and I'm sorry if this offends anybody it up to the angler to take care of there fishies and if you have one die bring it home with you and do what you want with it just don't drop it back on the lake

YES.so true.

but will see this in derby nope it will get dump prob and it will get replace by a live one...sher cant be seen wit a dead bass in the boat to eat later on..those not look good at all..but trow it over board is ok.jeeeeeee

so kill a fish and waste it..way to go..nice sportsmanship.

joco

joco,

some tournament anglers might throw a dead bass back and replace it with a new one (I don't know every tournament angler), just like some recreational angler could also throw back a dead fish because it is small and they caught a bigger one and already have their limit.

You are making a pretty broad statement implying that all tournament anglers think it is okay to throw a dead fish overboard.

And I still stand by my point that the number of tournament anglers (that yes do kill some fish during tournaments and pre-fishing) is very small compared to the number of just recreational anglers out there, catching and releasing and catching and keeping.

If millions of bass were dying as the result of tournaments, the bass numbers would be way down, and I just don't see that.

Again I agree with you joco fishing (including tournaments) kills bass, I just don't see the millions of bass dying from tournaments.

You don't like stats because they are BS numbers made up by the bass fishing industry to make themselves look good, though all the stats in this thread are just from local bass fisherman, but you are making up numbers of bass caught "100 000... maybe millions" are your numbers not just bs used to make you point look good?

As has been stated it is everyone's personal choice on how they act in regard to protecting your fisheries, just because someone is completing in a tournament doesn't mean they forget their "morals" and disobey the rules because some money is on the line.

JimW


Jim

[beachburger]

I don't think joco likes tournaments.....

While the cynics look for fly poop in the pepper, the stats for dead fish at weigh-in are the best many of us can do right now. No one has said bass did not die after release and there is no doubt that some do. How many some represents is certainly debatable but it appears that only those that fish tournaments are spreading BS. From my perspective it's not a stretch to think that the larger numbers of dead fish at weigh also means a higher mortality amongst those that were released. It's also not a stretch to think the reverse is true.

A few final observations,

- It is hardly an event to catch a 3+ lb bass that has already been caught. I also don't spend any time wondering if that fish had to spend a day in a livewell so a picture could be taken at day's end and posted on F-H later in the day.

- I would submit tournament prefishing does not have nearly the negative impact some seem to think. For lots of tournament people who cash regular cheques the idea of a pre-fish is to simply find the fish and leave the catching for tournament day. These people pre-fish with barbless hooks or no hooks at all. Or they spend much of their pre-fish time boating around to check out places to fish and to eliminate water.

- I know I catch far fewer bass in a tournament than when I fish bass for fun with my wife because I am fishing for bigger bass instead of lots of bass. If I correctly understood some of the logic presented earlier, any bass my wife catches that dies a day or two later is the fault of tournaments because she is fishing with me and I like tournament fishing.

Thanks for reading. This has been an interesting and informative thread.

Doug

[bassman3840]

Why do bass tournaments have to weigh in so many fish eg 4,5,6,I would like to see tournaments weigh in 2 fish per boat & they must be between 15 &18 in. The tournaments would still be competive & would reduce the # of fish kept in the live wells.( less fish in livewell less chance for dead fish) This is done in the red fish tournaments in the states & they are fishing for big money I would like to see a bass club try it for one tounament .

[beachburger]

I would like to see tournaments weigh in 2 fish per boat & they must be between 15 &18 in.

Then start a bass club that does just that?

[Spence Scout]

As a fellow tournament angler myself I felt to add a few cents on the topic. First off Ive been fishing tournies for about 5 years now. 2 years SEBO's and now 3 yrs Renegade. Out of these 5 years of competing Ive knowingly had 1 fish mortality due to a deep hook. I knew he was going to die and weighed him in anyway taking the penalty. I then gave the bass to a youngster at the launch who I asked if he wanted it. He was more then happy to take it home to his dad he said to eat! He joked about saying how he'd tell his dad he caught it himself. He left and said thanks.

However I dont blame the organization or club for bass mortality it lands in the anglers corner. It is the fellow competitor to ensure full responsibility for healthy fish. Whether it be a bass, walleye, or multi species event. Regardless of the club. We need to make sure our pumps work well, aeration is working and that other tools are used to ensure less mortality rates.

To say that pre fishing kills fish. Which I think I read somewhere in this thread is ridiculous. We all prefish. Tourny anglers prefish for events. Weekend anglers just fish. Can that be considered pre fishing?? I dont even hook more than 2 fish pre fishing purposely. I take hooks off my baits or bend hooks down. I dont even set the hook.

I mean honestly lets say you have 68 boats like Renegade. By law we are allowed to keep 6 fish per angler in possession thats 2 anglers per boat. if you do the math thats 816 keepers. Now imagine if by law we kept those!!

Sure a few bass may die. Due to irresponsible anglers or even accidents.
So Im willing to bet that in the entire Ottawa River system that there were more than 68 boats aside form the tourny guys that day keeping fish. Sure they dont come a float at the launch but they are hidden in every anglers garbage can. Because you saw 3 dead bass raises very little concern with me. Because I know at the end of the day more die in coolers or on stringers than some released fish from a tournament. Just because the fact that there are more weekend anglers then tourny anglers on the water. Chances are they are keeping fish. Maybe not but theres a good chance and thats fine and fully within the law we abide by on the water.

As far as fishing tournys for money! I agree with RJ.. For me its not $$ its the results. I would take a plaque anyday over the money. I mean sure the money helps for expenses but its not the number #1 reason. If youve fished a tourny and gotten the adrenaline rush most of us competitors get you'd understand this. To compare this to an NHL'er who spends his entire life working out and eating by a healthy menu is ridiculous liek someone did early on in this thread.

In my opinion some bass will die in tournaments before or even after weigh ins. But its due to lack of care or responsibility of the competitor. Some will also be by accident by swallowing hooks etc. But just as many are killed at the hands of everyday anglers on stringers or deep hooks. Theres no real way of having 100% accuracy on death rate. You yourself just have to ensure you dont add to those rates.

The stat we are sure of is that at this rockland tournament 65 boats fished. Thats a whopping 780 bass that could have been legally kept and eaten. Assuming every competitor had their fishing license. (Hopefully). But the other fact is not 1 of those 780 bass were intended on being kept. Thats a reassuring stat to me.

Lets all be responsible anglers and competitors and maybe start a thread on how to care for bass or any other species in our live wells. This may decrease the amount of bass (X3) you see next time at the Rockland launch.