bass tournaments=dead fish

[Jimmy_1]

WE GET IT BASS DIE FROM TOURNEYS......


NOT THE ONLY REASON THEY DIE.

[joco]

WE GET IT BASS DIE FROM TOURNEYS......


NOT THE ONLY REASON THEY DIE.

they die not just derbie...they die for dock fishing anl all fishermans and all species dies to.

just becasue some push thaye say the stas bs.

i want peopel to no the truth no suposely stats.


lets say that tread as been gone to far now.



but its been ok,..not to bad......i do have to ay i talk a bit to mutch and sometime repeate myself a few to many time. .


let get back to fishing and prob hurt..sadly but hey its fishing.


joco.anyomne want to join me for an bass outhing this week.....to fish wit me not try to drown me becasue off my saying..hahaha



alway one two tread a month that get me start and think to mutch.

[walleyemen]

On the comment of culling a dead fish ,it is in fact illegal to do so, the regs state it, no fish are to be left to spoil, also in any tourneys if caught culling dead fish one would be desqualified, if your fish does not make it it you take a dead fish penalty, These are the rules and have been in place for some time, also on the statement of bass guyz not taking responsiblity for fish die off, not once did anyone take a stand for the rec guyz, at the end of the day , yes there will be some, but those numbers can't be touched by the amount of fish harvested by everyday anglers, the reason bass guyz are so affended by remarks like these is because of the fact that we do in fact take great concern in the fishes health and conservation its self, every club had a conservation director and they peforform different events in many communities, such as shore line clean-ups, restocking, road clean -ups and most important of all proper fish handling and info to do so!

[Jimmy_1]

Joco,

My last post was not directed at you.

This is an 8 page thread and, like EVERY post on here has been beaten to death.....

Nobody on here agrees.

Fact:

1) Fish die from fishing
2) MNR suck ball$
3) Fish die from tourneys
4) Tourneys are never going away

Let's take a deep breath, accept REALITY and go on with our existence.

If people like to fish but don't want to kill fish....buy a Nintendo Wii and one of the many fishing games for it.

[RJ]

I'd like to change up one of my comments.....originally I thought Joco hit his head on his kayak.....clearly it was something more solid and damaging than his plastic tub boat....

RJ

[Big Bass 444]

There will be no winners out of this Joco....if you take the time to read the thread carefully you will see people repeating what others had allready point out. This topic is about defending rights and positions...Informative??? ...not sure about that unless you want to believe what you read is right.

You said you don't care about people against you....Fish Hawk is a board of opinions...even if you're right some will be opposed..some might not even like you..but you had a voice here and I did appreciate it...insults where avoided in this thread....well almost

....one other thing that was left in the shadows here....lets say I'm a lake resident and I see a bunch of 225-300hp invading my lake for the weekend...to put at rest a few 100 basses for 8 to 10 days..that might just upset me a little..Polution as many aspects .Lac Des Iles was close to one organisation a few years back.....The reputation of tournament anglers might be dandy among them...but go outside of it....and ask about what reputation these non-resident, dock flippin have....not the perfect image you would think....it as become almost dangerous to approach a dock these days! .1 guy flipping a dock in one day.mmm!..yeah!..o.k!..6-7-8..10? guys flipping the same dock on a tournament weekend day that might be a problem though when a lake resident might be looking for peace!!....some guy even had a sprinckler system on is dock last year to keep anglers away ..now that was funny! to see this work! .if you make 20 000$ in profits for a tourney....apply some of it to local community causes where tournaments are held!....it might be a good thing ..I would go even further..organisations should request for all anglers wanted to take part in a series to give a full day of community service in a town of their choice where a tournament event is help...and brag about that instead...just a though!

[joco]

true no wimnner and its not about winning its about saying the fact that any fishing will kill fish.

and for the rules...walleyemen
rules are made to be broken sadly..its life...and some get broken i am sher..but mabe not ofetn we dont no..i see cheating why not a little bass trown overboard..hahah

and nothing we can do to stop that other then ifyou want to you can stop fishing and thery wll more for other fishermans.

its all opinions all are good..if they was no opnion on this site it would be boring..mabe some opinion are not accept by some hey its like anything hesle we dont think all the same.


so guys..we have luren that bass fisherman most..do great to protect the bass. and that bass is very lucrative buisness hahaha.


take care guys.

and yes RJ...mabe i hit myself...i think actualy its one off those flying carp that hit on my head on ayak trip..

joco

[bm_attar]

he thinks that QC is a lawless, deer hooking - walleye spearing - in boat drinking place.
Craig

What Are you saying this is not true? All these years I lived a lie!!

Just messing with you

.....

Back to topic. I think the gist of it is what Joco said "ALL FISHING KILL FISH". I have seen few dead carp on St Lawrence river. Some bleeding and obviously dropped on a rock or something then thrown back in the water. It happens and t will always happen.

But imagine if fishing was only recreational, do u think fish mortality rate will be lower? I doubt it. New anglers make more mistakes and most probably will kill more fish. The more you fish the more one gets educated about it. I just read the article posted here about bass care, first time to hear about fizzing bass for swim bladder relief. Things like that I expect pros know more about simply because they fish more often than recreational anglers.

BM

[beerheart]

If it wasn't for tournament fishing there might be too many bass because people don't seem to like to eat them!

I eat any that may die off in a tournament situation (1 this year) and any that I gut hook I cut the hooks with side cutters leaving the remainder of the hook in the mouth and if at the end of the day they are still upright and look as good as the others, they go back in. If I suspect they'll die, then they get fileted.

[nickelman]

If it wasn't for tournament fishing there might be too many bass because people don't seem to like to eat them!

I eat any that may die off in a tournament situation (1 this year) and any that I gut hook I cut the hooks with side cutters leaving the remainder of the hook in the mouth and if at the end of the day they are still upright and look as good as the others, they go back in. If I suspect they'll die, then they get fileted.

There's an easy way to remove the hook in gut-hooked bass. Needle nose pliers through the gills grab the long part of the hook and push away from you until the hook curves and pops out. Works every time. There's a great youtube video showing it but I don't have the link handy.

As far as tournaments, I use barbless hooks at ALL times including tournaments and it doesn't affect my catch rate at all and really minimizes the damage caused. Tournaments are mainly for the competition, camaraderie, fun and bragging rights and if you can cover your expenses at the end of the day, you are doing well. The goal is to get enough sponsors to cover your expenses so you can concentrate on the fishing.

And who knows, maybe the weaker bass that were released will get gobbled up by pike and in a few years the local waters will be polluted with monster pike!

But, after saying all that I do believe tournament fields should be capped at 40-50 boats to appease the locals living/cottaging on the lake. Having 80 boats flying around at top speed does pee pee a lot of people off... I can go on and on but....

Just my .02
Nick.

[bassman3840]

Joco you are only allowed to have in your livewell the # of fish you are a allowed to weigh in.So if only 2 fish were allowed to be weigh in the most fish you would be allowed to have in your livewell is 2

[starrman]

Interesting discussion folks. It seems a lot of it is reactionary. We discussed the issue with Gord Pyzer (Masters in Natural Resource Management, Biologist, Field Editor Outdoor Canada and In-Fisherman) on the Renegade Bass fishing show on Team 1200. You can hear his response coming up this Saturday morning at 7am.

Thanks

Ed

[joco]

Interesting discussion folks. It seems a lot of it is reactionary. We discussed the issue with Gord Pyzer (Masters in Natural Resource Management, Biologist, Field Editor Outdoor Canada and In-Fisherman) on the Renegade Bass fishing show on Team 1200. You can hear his response coming up this Saturday morning at 7am.

Thanks

Ed

do you think a pro staff that is sponsor and all will say something agianst the sport itself...... ..no way.

you have to be out off this field and look frome an onother view to see...never you will see sombody that is so involve in the bass buiseness,,saying stuff that would cost him a few sponsors...that is a buiness ..so.

take a fish bilogicte and some scitnific that dont fish at all.and bring them to see the derbies then ask them to make some comments then it might be a bit more realistic.

joco

[Big Bass 444]

now that's the spirit Marco!!! ...true though.
We even have this going on here on this thread

[CNs]

Interesting discussion folks. It seems a lot of it is
reactionary. We discussed the issue with Gord Pyzer (Masters in Natural
resource Management, Biologist, Field Editor Outdoor Canada and In-Fisherman)
on the Renegade Bass fishing show on Team 1200. You can hear his
response coming up this Saturday morning at 7am.

Thanks

Ed

Joco you really should tune into the renegade bass show this weekend. I
spoke with Big Jim last night and what he asked Gord Pyzer (who I hope
you would agree knows his stuff) and Gord's response is very eye opening.

do you think a pro staff that is sponsor and all will say something against
the sport itself...... ..no way.


joco

Actually I think that a Pro would be more tuned into what would be good for
the sport,. If something would be bad for the sport it would eventually be
bad for the sponsor. It is in the "pro's" best interest to see that nothing
detrimental (that means bad) happens to the fisheries.

you have to be out off this field and look from another view
to see...never you will see somebody that is so involve in the bass
business,,saying stuff that would cost him a few sponsors...that is a business
..so


joco

So a possibly PETA sponsored "expert" is preferable to study the impact of
tournament fishing rather than someone who has a vested interest in
improving the fishery.

It is the MNR's job is to look at the impact everything has on our natural
resources without prejudice. Unfortunately politics gets in the way.

take a fish biologist and some scientists that don't fish at
all.and bring them to see the derbies then ask them to make some
comments then it might be a bit more realistic.


joco

Realistic??? All they can do is give anecdotal evidence without scientific study
and proper controls. And we both should be able to agree that two people
can lok at the same situation and give three different opinions as to what
they both saw.