"muskies don't deserve that kind of pressure"-Why?
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Hi dead_weight. My "precious/unique/rare" comment was not aimed at you. It was a general comment that was mentioned in the first topic of the thread. Sorry if that didn't come across as intended.
No argument that muskie fishermen are passionate about favorite species and good on them. They are an awesome fish to hunt and catch.
No argument that muskie fishermen are passionate about favorite species and good on them. They are an awesome fish to hunt and catch.
For the most part Muskie fishermen seem to be hypocrites
It's beyond my comprehension as to why Muskie groups with such vast self proclaimed knowledge of the species, know how many exist per acre, their gestation cycles and right down to admitting how much stress they put on a muskie when they reel it in, that it is completly exhausted and at this state must be handled delicatly to prevent death.
If they are so damned special and are so delicate wouldn't the most reasonable thing to do for an animal that you have such respect for, be to work towards improving habitat and push to have the species protected and eliminate targeting them knowing that there is chance of killing it?
Now with that being said, do what ever you like, catch them, eat them, hang them on your wall, take pictures of them, stuff them down potatoe guns and fire them across the lake at each other, but just stop being hypocrites.
It's beyond my comprehension as to why Muskie groups with such vast self proclaimed knowledge of the species, know how many exist per acre, their gestation cycles and right down to admitting how much stress they put on a muskie when they reel it in, that it is completly exhausted and at this state must be handled delicatly to prevent death.
If they are so damned special and are so delicate wouldn't the most reasonable thing to do for an animal that you have such respect for, be to work towards improving habitat and push to have the species protected and eliminate targeting them knowing that there is chance of killing it?
Now with that being said, do what ever you like, catch them, eat them, hang them on your wall, take pictures of them, stuff them down potatoe guns and fire them across the lake at each other, but just stop being hypocrites.
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no worries beachburger ... I figured you were more or less directing it at the community ... I don't take postings personal in any case.
I've love to catch one of these but I'm not willing to spend all the $$ on gear and spend a long day in the boat to catch one or two fish ... just not my bag ... I'll take a day of catching 10 or 15 bass anytime ... having said that I gotta respect for the guy who does spend the day and gets a pic with one of these monsters ... dedication and patience at its best I suppose.
I've love to catch one of these but I'm not willing to spend all the $$ on gear and spend a long day in the boat to catch one or two fish ... just not my bag ... I'll take a day of catching 10 or 15 bass anytime ... having said that I gotta respect for the guy who does spend the day and gets a pic with one of these monsters ... dedication and patience at its best I suppose.
I like the potato gun idea. Very creative.
But I would rather fillet a good size ski. Would taste great fried with some shrimp. My heart goes out to the poor shrimp though, but I will eat'em anyway.
BM
But I would rather fillet a good size ski. Would taste great fried with some shrimp. My heart goes out to the poor shrimp though, but I will eat'em anyway.
BM
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Richard, if you want the respect that you so obviously crave, a good start would be to stop disrespecting those guides that you desperately aspire to be.it's guys ( yes you can insert guides here as I know of 2 that do that ) pounding the same spots day in and day out that destroy a fishery. As well as pounding the fish just off the spawn.
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The one big problem with cash tournaments should be obvious...CASH
Once the all mighty dollar is introduced, people do things they might not normally do. Like target muskies, when really all they ever fish are anything but. I dont give two craps if more "Wannabes" (as per BA) want to fish for muskies.....Just go about it properly, as to try and limit or avoid post release mortality. It happens, it's a fish....but it happens very infrequently when you go about things correctly. Once money is on the line every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Pikie minnow, a 1 dollar leader and spool of 10 year old 20 pound mono will be out there after the cash. They couldn't give a rats a.. about anything else.
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"If they are so damned special and are so delicate wouldn't the most reasonable thing to do for an animal that you have such respect for, be to work towards improving habitat and push to have the species protected and eliminate targeting them knowing that there is chance of killing it?"
Obviously you have the opinion that all the Muskie Clubs simply stand on a soap box and preach. Do some research and find out what kind of initiatives these groups have, and some of the things they have accomplished. If you have the good fortune to catch a muskie...you just may have to thank one of these groups for that opportunity.As far as the Hypocrite Statement...whatever. I realize that some of these fish may die.....it happens, but when gone about correctlly, it happens rarely.
Are they Special??? You freakin bet they are.... Consider this...there is a very small portion of North America where these fish exist. Only 20% of that populatiion is in Canada...however 80% of the naturally reproducing stock are those Canadian fish. We often don't realize what we have until it is gone.
As far as the Conservation License...you can fish for muskies...but...lets say you catch a legal fish...it dies....what do you do??? Legally you can not keep it...legally you can not waste it??? Just spend the extra dollars, avoid that situation and give the MNR the few extra pennies it so badly needs.
Once the all mighty dollar is introduced, people do things they might not normally do. Like target muskies, when really all they ever fish are anything but. I dont give two craps if more "Wannabes" (as per BA) want to fish for muskies.....Just go about it properly, as to try and limit or avoid post release mortality. It happens, it's a fish....but it happens very infrequently when you go about things correctly. Once money is on the line every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Pikie minnow, a 1 dollar leader and spool of 10 year old 20 pound mono will be out there after the cash. They couldn't give a rats a.. about anything else.
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"If they are so damned special and are so delicate wouldn't the most reasonable thing to do for an animal that you have such respect for, be to work towards improving habitat and push to have the species protected and eliminate targeting them knowing that there is chance of killing it?"
Obviously you have the opinion that all the Muskie Clubs simply stand on a soap box and preach. Do some research and find out what kind of initiatives these groups have, and some of the things they have accomplished. If you have the good fortune to catch a muskie...you just may have to thank one of these groups for that opportunity.As far as the Hypocrite Statement...whatever. I realize that some of these fish may die.....it happens, but when gone about correctlly, it happens rarely.
Are they Special??? You freakin bet they are.... Consider this...there is a very small portion of North America where these fish exist. Only 20% of that populatiion is in Canada...however 80% of the naturally reproducing stock are those Canadian fish. We often don't realize what we have until it is gone.
As far as the Conservation License...you can fish for muskies...but...lets say you catch a legal fish...it dies....what do you do??? Legally you can not keep it...legally you can not waste it??? Just spend the extra dollars, avoid that situation and give the MNR the few extra pennies it so badly needs.
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MLR wrote:For the most part Muskie fishermen seem to be hypocrites
Now with that being said, do what ever you like, catch them, eat them, hang them on your wall, take pictures of them, stuff them down potatoe guns and fire them across the lake at each other, but just stop being hypocrites.
....DYING HERE!!! If Winnipeg gets a hockey team, Toronto will want one too.....
Countdown to death threats in 3....2.....ChrisS wrote:Richard, if you want the respect that you so obviously crave, a good start would be to stop disrespecting those guides that you desperately aspire to be.it's guys ( yes you can insert guides here as I know of 2 that do that ) pounding the same spots day in and day out that destroy a fishery. As well as pounding the fish just off the spawn.
All fish are fragile imo, take a look at small mouth spawning habits. But i will agree, Muskie are a special fish and should be treated as so. I think until you see a true giant, or get outplayed by a true giant you won't give them the repect they deserve. When you see that armor plated face with teeth bigger then my dog...well it's humbling to say the least.
WELL SAIDRelic wrote:The one big problem with cash tournaments should be obvious...CASH
Once the all mighty dollar is introduced, people do things they might not normally do. Like target muskies, when really all they ever fish are anything but. I dont give two craps if more "Wannabes" (as per BA) want to fish for muskies.....Just go about it properly, as to try and limit or avoid post release mortality. It happens, it's a fish....but it happens very infrequently when you go about things correctly. Once money is on the line every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Pikie minnow, a 1 dollar leader and spool of 10 year old 20 pound mono will be out there after the cash. They couldn't give a rats a.. about anything else.
MLR Wrote
"If they are so damned special and are so delicate wouldn't the most reasonable thing to do for an animal that you have such respect for, be to work towards improving habitat and push to have the species protected and eliminate targeting them knowing that there is chance of killing it?"
Obviously you have the opinion that all the Muskie Clubs simply stand on a soap box and preach. Do some research and find out what kind of initiatives these groups have, and some of the things they have accomplished. If you have the good fortune to catch a muskie...you just may have to thank one of these groups for that opportunity.As far as the Hypocrite Statement...whatever. I realize that some of these fish may die.....it happens, but when gone about correctlly, it happens rarely.
Are they Special??? You freakin bet they are.... Consider this...there is a very small portion of North America where these fish exist. Only 20% of that populatiion is in Canada...however 80% of the naturally reproducing stock are those Canadian fish. We often don't realize what we have until it is gone.
As far as the Conservation License...you can fish for muskies...but...lets say you catch a legal fish...it dies....what do you do??? Legally you can not keep it...legally you can not waste it??? Just spend the extra dollars, avoid that situation and give the MNR the few extra pennies it so badly needs.
My undersized musky just ATE your trophy bass
Well Matt after giving myself a little time out in my room, I put on my big boy pants and come back down stairs like a grown up and read your post again. And now have a few questions.muskymatt wrote:It seems that all species be it mammals, reptiles, fowl, amphibians and fish if studied, managed properly through handeling, size limits, closed seasons, harvesting regulations, reintroduction and stocking (if necessary) will have great success in increasing population, sustaining current populations and even flourishing by expanding habitat.MLR wrote:For the most part Muskie fishermen seem to be hypocrites
It's beyond my comprehension as to why Muskie groups with such vast self proclaimed knowledge of the species, know how many exist per acre, their gestation cycles and right down to admitting how much stress they put on a muskie when they reel it in, that it is completly exhausted and at this state must be handled delicatly to prevent death.
If they are so damned special and are so delicate wouldn't the most reasonable thing to do for an animal that you have such respect for, be to work towards improving habitat and push to have the species protected and eliminate targeting them knowing that there is chance of killing it?
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The rest of what you said is complete nonsense and deserves no reply...grow up!
1. What method or calculations have been completed by muskie fishing groups or the MNR to determine how many muskie are in the Ottawa River and what is the right number for a healthy sustainable population? How many acres of muskie habitat is there between Chats Falls and Rockland?
2. How is fishing pressure regulated on any body of water during an open season?
3. Explain how Muskie club events do not put a focused pressure on a particular area?
Even though it would seem I am calling you out, I am interesting in furthering my understanding of all this muskie stuff. but as a non muskie fisherman. I just get the impression that there are double standards being imposed.
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It's easy to know when you're on the water over 100 days a year and you see this guy 5-10 times and always pounding the same spots, I've also had clients tell me of their past experience fishing the same boye marker for 3 days straight.RJ wrote: How do you know that Richard?..do you follow them? I believe I know who you continue to attempt to slander and the fishery they are "pounding" as you say is more than healthy from what I've seen......
RJ
I also know some used to be good spots that are now dead from the pounding.
BTW I don't slander I leave that to the bad guys.
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Oh Chris you are so funny, your statement is so backwards. You see the jealous guys are the ones going after me not the other way around. I want to be like those guys the same as I want to be castrated an forbiten to fish forever.ChrisS wrote: Richard, if you want the respect that you so obviously crave, a good start would be to stop disrespecting those guides that you desperately aspire to be.
Like I said to RJ I let the others slander and I just enjoy life.
What goes around comes around, you just watch eventualy god will make the bad guys pay and reward the good guys.
BTW Chris when I started to guide in 2000 you had no problem coming out to fish with me, I also remember you getting some fish as well. How did I become one of your favorite targets here on FH?
Catch and release them all
Richard Collin
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