Some MUST reading!

[LowKey]

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[GamblerSteve]

Your so called "CRAP" that you call it that you have to sift through doesn't change soon.
-Pictures of big fish and the stories related
-Information on great fishing locations
Won't be around to see. Maybe you should pick "Big" Jim's "Just Fishing" paper and read it, there's more than going out and just fishing. Ya and I also like granola!

Steve

[LowKey]

statment retracted

[Canadian Bacon]

Cool it down a bit guys...
This was a good post to start and if someone doesn't wish to read they don't have too. You choose the posts you read they are not forced upon you!
In my mind the forums are created for people to submit opinions and to share thiers with others. In this case people can choose to pick up Jim's publication and I encourage that! If people want to debate the content...why not, but lets keep it civil before it gets beyond that!
Thanks Guys!

[Guest]

I have to agree with LowKey on this one.

Every time a topic surrounding fishing ethics or conservation comes along, it's a recipe for debate, and potential conflict. This isn't a bad thing, but many people are finding these kinds of discussion intrusive on the "fishing" part of the board where people just want to share information.

Why not separate the two? It makes sense.

If you want to debate fishing ethics, release techniques, and conservational issues, you have a place to go. You can fight it out with all of the other outspoken people on the board.

If you just want to share stories, get information about tackle and spots, you also have a place to go, and you don't need to sift through all of the more heated discussions to get there.

It's a win/win situation for both sides.

HW

[SkeeterJohn]

Lowkey.. Coming on here and sharing fishing stories and pictures is a part of fish-hawk.. but talking about anything relating to our sport is also encouraged.

I agree topics like this aren't for everyone but they have their place here and you don't have to read every post that's put up.. Some topics are of no interest to me too but i choose to skip past those just like everyone else does.

If all people want is to inflate their egos by getting a ‘pat on the back’ and a ‘well done’ because they've told everyone what and where they caught their latest fish then there's dozens of sites that'll do that... All aspects of our sport are encouraged to be discussed here.

[LowKey]

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[SkeeterJohn]

The solution is to be selective about which topics to read.

The open water season almost here so topics like this will be put on the back burner anyway once more people start reporting their catches.

[LowKey]

[banjo]

I haven't read the article in question, so I cannot comment on that. But I can comment on the post. I consider fishing a sport or activity not a conservation method. Any fishing at all is not beneficial to a fish... although I'm sure I could create some "graphs" that would show otherwise
As far as going above and beyond the law to "save" the fishes, I consider that a personal decision. Some people let 'all' the big ones go... some people golf instead.
Here's some more info from the same author, Bruce Tufts, who was quoted in the original post.
""Ego kills.
It's ironic that many anglers practice catch and release, but only do it properly with bass that easily can shake off the effects of the event - the little ones. They're released with out fanfare. But when they catch a big bass, out comes the net, then long admiring glances, photos, and perhaps a ride in the livewell.

"From a conservation standpoint, big fish are extremely valuable. They're the best spawners and the ones we should be releasing. Unfortunately, big bass are most damaged by catch and release. They're battled longer and held out of water longer. This contributes to a greater physiological disturbance.

"We've found that the buildup of lactic acid in the muscles of big fish can be almost twice that found in smaller individuals following the same amount of burst exercise. Although much of the research in this area has been conducted on trout and salmon, similar physiological changes could affect big bass, muskies and walleyes."

Deadly effects of warm water
Water temperature also affects the physiological disturbance of fish. Tufts notes that most anglers know that warm water can make catching fish more difficult, but they fail to realize the effects of warm water on fish after they're hooked.

"Water temperature increases the severity of the physiological disturbance in the blood of a caught fish," Tufts says. "In species most sensitive to temperature increases, the ability to tolerate angling, handling, and confinement in livewells declines markedly as water warms.

"When water temperatures rise in summer, fish are more fragile and become more susceptible to delayed mortality following catch and release. Holding fish in livewells under these conditions exacerbates the problem. In extremely warm water, anglers should be careful not to fight fish to exhaustion. And they should release fish immediately."

Help....I can't breath
Needlessly exposing fish to air is the final factor that anglers need to consider, and it's one over which they have full control. Many of the physiological responses initiated in a fish when you hook it are designed to facilitate the transport of oxygen.""

So, 'using' this information, to prove my point that the same info that might support not keeping a trophy fish for the wall, or consuming a fish for dinner from the Bay of Quinte also supports not keeping large bass (perhaps even the 5 largest caught in one day ) in a livewell, or holding them out of the water while standing on a podium looking for a check

[LowKey]

I haven't read the article in question, so I cannot comment on that. But I can comment on the post. I consider fishing a sport or activity not a conservation method. Any fishing at all is not beneficial to a fish... although I'm sure I could create some "graphs" that would show otherwise
As far as going above and beyond the law to "save" the fishes, I consider that a personal decision. Some people let 'all' the big ones go... some people golf instead.
Here's some more info from the same author, Bruce Tufts, who was quoted in the original post.
""Ego kills.
It's ironic that many anglers practice catch and release, but only do it properly with bass that easily can shake off the effects of the event - the little ones. They're released with out fanfare. But when they catch a big bass, out comes the net, then long admiring glances, photos, and perhaps a ride in the livewell.

"From a conservation standpoint, big fish are extremely valuable. They're the best spawners and the ones we should be releasing. Unfortunately, big bass are most damaged by catch and release. They're battled longer and held out of water longer. This contributes to a greater physiological disturbance.

"We've found that the buildup of lactic acid in the muscles of big fish can be almost twice that found in smaller individuals following the same amount of burst exercise. Although much of the research in this area has been conducted on trout and salmon, similar physiological changes could affect big bass, muskies and walleyes."

Deadly effects of warm water
Water temperature also affects the physiological disturbance of fish. Tufts notes that most anglers know that warm water can make catching fish more difficult, but they fail to realize the effects of warm water on fish after they're hooked.

"Water temperature increases the severity of the physiological disturbance in the blood of a caught fish," Tufts says. "In species most sensitive to temperature increases, the ability to tolerate angling, handling, and confinement in livewells declines markedly as water warms.

"When water temperatures rise in summer, fish are more fragile and become more susceptible to delayed mortality following catch and release. Holding fish in livewells under these conditions exacerbates the problem. In extremely warm water, anglers should be careful not to fight fish to exhaustion. And they should release fish immediately."

Help....I can't breath
Needlessly exposing fish to air is the final factor that anglers need to consider, and it's one over which they have full control. Many of the physiological responses initiated in a fish when you hook it are designed to facilitate the transport of oxygen.""

So, 'using' this information, to prove my point that the same info that might support not keeping a trophy fish for the wall, or consuming a fish for dinner from the Bay of Quinte also supports not keeping large bass (perhaps even the 5 largest caught in one day ) in a livewell, or holding them out of the water while standing on a podium looking for a check

You cant release this information Here!!!!!! So many fantasy bubbles

POPING!!!!!

You made my day Banjo! Great post. Surely to god, if we have a section called "HAWKEY TALK" just maybe we could throw another section in the mix which would have more of an impact in providing key information to the general public in regards to conservation. ???????

[RJ]

Great post Banjo!....someone else said it other than me for once...

Do we need another forum for this?...a place to "fight" it out?....in my opinion...absolutely not.....if you see something you don't want to get into....just move on....it never really clutters everything up....as it usualy is only one post that lasts about 40 responses...

If anyone sees the real HawgWabbler....please return him to the new guy....it's just not the same... HW..I'll be PMing soon....

Is there room for debate in Hawk Talk?....hell yeah!...I love it....it's been awhile since we've had any real dust-ups....not everyone agrees.....and at least it's respectful....let's just make sure it stays that way...

RJ

[Bobber]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions and insight. All good points and something to "consider" as an enhancement to the way the information is presented on the board. I'll put some time into trying to figure out if there is a better way to separate the information without overflowing the board with many many forums. One of the reasons why we have a Fishing Talk forum is so people can go to one place to discuss everything that is fishing. This includes all information. Perhaps a solution would be to move such topics to specialized areas to continue the conversations for those who want to participate in them.

Yet on the other hand, if we have this type of forum, discussing conservation and politics, we need to make sure that opinions don't get out of hand like they have in the past. I don't think one is out of hand and I thank you all for keeping it civil. Let's keep it this way and have the discussion that some want to have. Remember, opinions are just opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. CCB has his, and I respect it......Lowkey has his, and I respect that as well. For now, until I find a solution that satisfies everyone...if one exists....I will ask that if you are not interested in the initial post, then just move on and start some new ones.

Again, thanks everyone...I appreciate the input.

[canoedude]

I already have to deal the same Liberal (left sided) crap outside of my hobbies, and I sure as hell don’t want to mix it into my favourite pastime. Being conservative minded, I just want to fish (NO POLOTICS) and not be bothered! I follow the rules set out by the conservationists, which account for the phenomenal fishing in my area.

So please,,,, create the "FISHING POLITICS / CONSERVATION” section for the Granola Crunchers/debaters, let the rest of us focus on “just fishing”

I don’t think it is a left or right-wing issue; it is an empirical question that has an objective answer (provided, of course, we can get to the bottom of it one day).

Although I’m sure we’d all like to focus on “just fishing”, I suspect with the current state of the environment we may not have that luxury. These issues are not just pertinent to liberals (like me, I suppose) – they are (or should be) important to all anglers.

[LowKey]