Largemouth For Sale

[RobM]

You can buy commercially harvested wild walleye or lake trout in the supermarket. You can buy farmed brook trout or rainbow trout. I know you can order wild brook or rainbow trout in restaurants. Why is bass so special? I understand it is always thought of as a sport fish, not an eating fish. Correct me if I am wrong, but bass should be able to bounce back from over harvesting faster than lake trout, etc.

I particularly don't understand the negativity toward farming bass for human consumption. Or farming anything for human consumption for that matter. Commercially farmed fish will either have no impact on the harvested wild fish (people just eat more fish) or it will reduce the amount of harvested wild fish (people eat the same amount of fish, but a % of it is now farmed fish).

[Bobber]

Trevor,

I'm not sure what I said to cause you to respond on this thread is such a manner that portrays me as the bad guy, not pulling out my pitch fork and torch and proclaiming Fish-Hawk as the vehicle to solve our resources abuse problems.

I'm not saying I disagree with your points of view on the selected few who disregard our fishery, however this is not the topic of the thread's discussion, and as the administrator of this site...that's my job. If you consider it god like power....then thanks...I suppose.

This is unfortunately not the first time I've witnessed where this discussion is going, so I pretty much know it's eventually going to result in culture bashing, disagreement among regulars with opinions, and eventually we'll find ourselves arguing with one another about the same thing, and losing the whole intent of the original topic.

This site is not....and will never be....a vehicle for intentional fostering of prejudice or judgement. It is however a place where you "can" express your opinions, at of course the discretion of the people who need to keep the peace. Anyone who uses Internet Boards knows this is the job of the admin and/or moderator. If someone doesn't agree with "how" that peace is kept, then perhaps this is not the place for them, and I would encourage them to find another site with less controls on these areas.

I think we now know what your opinion is on a few different topics, all in this one thread, if I'm reading you properly. 1) Farmed Bass may be a good solution to protect natural Bass resources 2) Harvesting of natural resources by certain cultures is a sore spot to you, which the whole world should know and do something about 3) You don't agree with the way I adminster this board...fair enough and thanks for you opinions.

Now back to the original topic......

As a bass fisherman myself, at first glance seeing a Bass in a tank at the supermarket would definately cause me to take a second glance. If you think about it a little more though, what other fish are there...either in tanks or lying on ice in fillet form? There are lots of them. People eat fish, just like we eat chicken, turkey, or beef. Would we be having this same discussion if someone saw live trout in a tank at the supermarket. I doubt it, I see this everywhere. RobM just said it the best.

I suppose the root of this discussion stemmed from something seen which was out of the ordinary. The perception that Largemouth Bass resources are more valuable than other resources, when if fact each of our natural resources should all hold the same weight, or at least a comparable weight. The trick comes down to how we harvest these natural resources, while at the same time protecting them so they are plentiful and abundant well into the future. This is the job of the Ministry of Natural Resources and why we have regulations governing both private and commercial fishing / farming. Opinions on how well our Ministry is managing our natural resources is most likely a topic on its own, so we won't get into that within this thread.

So Marc, good topic and thanks for bringing it up. I can't say I"ve ever seen Bass in a tank in a supermarket, but I'm not surprised. I know lots of people (Bass fishermen alike) who enjoy the taste once in a while. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's done within the confines of the regulations that are in place, and the harvesting of such species is not abused.

[DropShotr]

I particularly don't understand the negativity toward farming bass for human consumption. Or farming anything for human consumption for that matter. Commercially farmed fish will either have no impact on the harvested wild fish (people just eat more fish) or it will reduce the amount of harvested wild fish (people eat the same amount of fish, but a % of it is now farmed fish).

I agree to a point. I know I've eaten farmed fish as well as wild. I don't have a problem with it. I agree it takes some impact off wild stocks, and that is a good thing. The future is here with fish farms.
My biggest concern is the the accidental release of farmed fish into a wild enviroment from floods, storms, equiptment failure & human error. Most farmed fish/animals do not have the genetic tools to succeed in the wild and infect rather than inhance the gene pool.

Why is bass so special?

You think bass is special...........ask for everyone's favorite musky recipes.



DS

[Seabass81]

Not trying to defend but I believe snapping turtles can be retained during there open season with a valid recreational fishing license .

Just stating this based on a previous post in this thread stating he somebody throw a turtle into a sac . Weather it was legal or not i am not sur.


John

[catfish25]

It wasn't a snapping turtle I think it was blandings or some other variety of turtle. Sorry for my rant.

[Todd B.]

While snapping turtles are simply currently out of season, someone taking a Blandings would be in hot water with the authorities, given that it is listed as an endangered species.

[fishwhisperer]

all this talk of political correctness, you guys are making me blush, really i came out of my hibernation just for this discussion.
sorry ahead of time if i offend ne1, not my intention.

2 me thats nuts but then again i was suprised to see walleye and perch in a supermarket, I think its solid that they had bass in the stores,
fish farming will only help species being farmed, the fish need to come from somewhere before they end up in peoples bellies, or stocked bodies of water, id much rather they came from a fish farm/supermarket than our local lakes n rivers.

as for the whole off-topic immigration topic-
didn't almost everyone's relatives in Canada, and this whole hemisphere for that matter arrive on a boat, we're all descended from "immigrants".
the only people who you can't say are descended from immigrants (even thats iffy) are natives, hence why they're native, they can call us immigrants for generations to come .

neway just food for thought..

btw, personally id buy bass from the store, i never tried it and im against pulling it out of my favorite lakes n rivers, but given the opportunity i would definitely try it atleast once.

-your friendly neighborhood fish whisperer

[fishwhisperer]

all this talk of political correctness, you guys are making me blush, really i came out of my hibernation just for this discussion.
sorry ahead of time if i offend ne1, not my intention.

actually if that person who took that turtle reads this, i hope their deeply offended, wth.. who eats turtles,.. i hope you run into a ninja turtle on a bad day after filling your sack with his endangered relatives.
I care b/c i actually have a rescued turtle, not in any shape to be released until everything is grown back but by then she'll probably be really domesticated.. neway, dont take any turtles, snapping or blandings especially (unless they're dying and you can help, xcept endangered ones, you cant touch em no matter what, although i'd probably try to help neway), im pretty sure most of our turtle populations are in rough shape (habitat loss is a prime reason), with the exeption of a few, snapping turtles are an exeption.

now back to the topic at hand:
2 me thats nuts but then again i was suprised to see walleye and perch in a supermarket, I think its solid that they had bass in the stores,
fish farming will only help species being farmed, the fish need to come from somewhere before they end up in peoples bellies, or stocked bodies of water, id much rather they came from a fish farm/supermarket than our local lakes n rivers.

as for the whole off-topic immigration topic-
didn't almost everyone's relatives in Canada, and this whole hemisphere for that matter arrive on a boat, we're all descended from "immigrants".
the only people who you can't say are descended from immigrants (even thats iffy) are natives, hence why they're native, they can call us immigrants for generations to come .

neway just food for thought..

btw, personally id buy bass from the store, i never tried it and im against pulling it out of my favorite lakes n rivers, but given the opportunity i would definitely try it atleast once.

-your friendly neighborhood fish whisperer

[kunobasski]

Mr. Administrator, I'm don't even know who you are and have never had a problem with your Admin skills. In fact I'm certain its a lot harder then it looks.

Now, to say the stuff you did about my post is in fact very judgmental. And unless your computer is some sort of super computer that can accurately depict a persons posted intentions based on some sort of super calculated assumption formula, I would say that you need to have it recalibrated.

Your way off. I don't need to explain or defend my comment, its harmless, and yes it was in a way flattering to you.

I never made a shot at any ethnic group, rather a factual occurrence, that in any way could determine any or all cultures be the topic basis.

Its called being Objective.

I have to say, how dare you wag your finger at me and say that I'm a making negative comments that are solicitous to any one culture, yet in the same breath crucify me for a poorly understood comment that was harmless.

Maybe you could Pm if you have an issue rather then publicly assault my fair, clean, and rule abiding posts.

I feel your vibe friend, my kind are frowned upon in these here parts.
I'll just be around for a few more weeks then I'll be mov'in on.

Sorry to bunch your panties. I'll consider my posts from this point on, and demonstrate a higher degree of dullness.

Trevor[/b]

[Bobber]

Trevor, whether we've met or not is irrelevant, my ask was simple….keep it on topic and avoid going to a place which could elude to cultural negativity and stereotyping. I’ve unfortunately been there before and I know where it’s going to go.

I’ve thought long and hard about whether I should respond to this, and while I doubt it will make any difference, I’ll respond to it anyway and then let it go, just so that you know where I’m coming from.

Was I judgmental?

Ah, site admin, you wield a god like power that no mortal will ever understand.

However, it is a good point for discussion and we have all seen the supposed damage that ignorance, greed, or disrespect causes on our shore lines and water ways.

But what of political correctness? That notion is better armored then a flax jacket on bomb day. If only I could hide behind the same standards to make my case without some thin skin calling foul and many spineless hide behinds shouting damage control, children are reading this.

We have all seen, and when I say all, that means most, which is a substantial number given that FH members make up about 1% of the angling community Ontario wide, so exponentially the numbers grows in expanse of thousands, of people who have seen mother nature violated in unholy ways.

But what's worse? Turning a blind eye to the obvious, as it seemingly always appears to be one particular culture, or do we just pretend it never happened because were scared of someone pointing a finger at you and and start blowing a foul whistle?

I have no idea what you mean by that first sentence, other than it setting the stage for what’s to come. In my opinion, the interpretation of this response eludes directly to how you feel this site is run, as nowhere else was the topic of taking it easy brought up except in my original request. I’m not asking nor have I ever asked you to explain or defend your comment, it is what it is and it’s how you feel. I’m good with that, as I said in my interpretation of your opinions. I was just looking to avoid going off on a tangent which had nothing to do with the original topic.

I never made a shot at any ethnic group, rather a factual occurrence, that in any way could determine any or all cultures be the topic basis.
Its called being Objective.

I didn’t say you did, and in fact just let your little documentary style re-enactment of what you experienced go, with a simple reminder message to all that we don’t want to go there.

I have to say, how dare you wag your finger at me and say that I'm a making negative comments that are solicitous to any one culture, yet in the same breath crucify me for a poorly understood comment that was harmless.

I didn’t, I said I didn’t disagree with you points however this was not the topic of the thread’s discussion, then proceeded with a broader message to everyone about expressing their opinions, but being discretionary in getting the message across. That was not directed at you personally. I suppose the notion of poorly understood comments swings both ways, particularly though written word.

Maybe you could Pm if you have an issue rather then publicly assault my fair, clean, and rule abiding posts.

Trevor, you’re the one who turned this into something it didn’t need to be, with your campaign of political incorrectness and turning a blind eye to the obvious…which again is off topic.

I feel your vibe friend, my kind are frowned upon in these here parts.
I'll just be around for a few more weeks then I'll be mov'in on.
Sorry to bunch your panties. I'll consider my posts from this point on, and demonstrate a higher degree of dullness.

Trevor, if that were the case, then you would have been removed a long time ago when I first started to get complaints about the tone of your posts. I didn’t act on it because you did follow the rules, very close to the line mind you, but you did follow them. As for the panties comment…c'mon. If you don’t like it here, then by all means, feel free to move along. I’m sure there are other sites out there which would be better for you.

If you do leave, may I suggest a little advice (and this applies to everyone)….if the administrator of a board asks their community to “not” do something, there is most likely a reason they are asking for this. The proper way to handle this is to do what you’re asked to do, or don’t do anything at all. If you wanted to continue the discussion on topic, then that would have been OK, but to use the topic of discussion to either directly or indirectly bring attention to a very sensitive problem that we all know exists….well that’s not OK. You may not agree with this, and be it as it may, but this is how I run this board and have no plans to change it.

I will apologize if you felt this was a personal attack on you. It was not, and was never the intention, so why push it. All I was looking for was to keep to the topic and avoid going to a place which had the potential of blowing up. I didn’t think that was a lot to ask.