Some MUST reading!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:11 pm

that is too much

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:21 pm

Granola makes me excited

Post by **ganman** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:18 pm

I just don't understand this BS where someone says posts like this ruin the board. What a bunch of nonsense. I've visited the board 20 times since this was posted and never once looked at the thread.

Since I realized awhile back I'm not changing anyones mind and my ethics are mine and if you're not breaking any laws you have the right to have your own. So I don't look at them. I'll let you guys debate it.

Low key I have a suggestion. If it bothers you.......DON'T READ IT!!

BTW I know Bruce Tufts. I've sat in on 3 seminars he's done on catch and release. Despite being internationally acclaimed, well funded and widely quoted his stance on catch and release basically boils down to one thing.

GET THE FISH BACK IN THE WATER ASAP.

Post by **John Fleming** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:01 pm

In no way did I ever mean to inflict my ethic's or beleafs on anyone here at Fish Hawk, nor would I ever want to interupt someones favorite past time. After all the first hunters and fisherman where they not conservationist's ? I agree, maybe there should be a seprate section to debate issues for this kind of reason. Great suggestion. However, I tend to sway more to the side of the REMOTE CONTROL if you don't like the channel, change it.

There is a ton of great info on this site and I give the biggest KUDO'S to those individual's who created it. But with any topic about anything, sure enough politic's will enter. Reg's are put in place for a reason. If not followed then we set ourself up for a bigger fall don't we. I know its like a cancer, but I for one will continue to be conservitive and be thoughful of others, so they to can enjoy your favarite past time, fishing. Please accept my apoligies. In turn I will keep any and all related information to myself from now on.

In closing, I will reserve comment on any other issue's that I see or read here. Just so the CRAP pile won't have to be sifted so often. Once again my apoligies to those offended by what I posted.

Post by **SkeeterJohn** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:10 pm

I've gotta ask you crazyhook do you actually think before you post something on here

None of your replies add anything constructive

This is a topic which Big Jim thought was serious enough to include in his publication and as a fishing website i would have thought it was a fair enough topic to be discussed.

What people seem to be losing sight of is that discussion here is encouraged and as long as debates don't become personal then we should all be adult enough to agree to disagree.

This was a good thread which has been tainted by a few who should probably know better.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:32 pm

I've gotta ask you crazyhook do you actually think before you post something on here None of your replies add anything constructive

They certainly do make me laugh though. It helps lighten the mood. Everyone (including myself) has been way too wound up lately. Time to relax and stop taking things so damn seriously. Laugh a little folks!

HW (not sure which one though, I'm so confused)

Post by **saskie** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:39 pm

banjo wrote:It's ironic that many anglers practice catch and release, but only do it properly with bass that easily can shake off the effects of the event - the little ones. They're released with out fanfare. But when they catch a big bass, out comes the net, then long admiring glances, photos, and perhaps a ride in the livewell.

"From a conservation standpoint, big fish are extremely valuable. They're the best spawners and the ones we should be releasing. Unfortunately, big bass are most damaged by catch and release. They're battled longer and held out of water longer. This contributes to a greater physiological disturbance.

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Getting back to the original subject, I agree 100% with everything that is stated above. I am positively convinced that "big mature fish" are the prime spawning stock and a fundamental key to the healthy survival of the species.

To put in in perspective I agree the 20-30" year classes need absolute protection. (Bear with me - I'm a walleye snob at heart and these sizes are based on the Sask River (they're the only firm numbers I know) - for BOQ/Erie they probably could/should be slid to the right by a couple inches). What has also been shown is that after the 30" mark - those year classes are no longer as prolific spawners. They tend to die of natural causes; and those that survived seemed to care less about spawning. At this stage (again - I'm not talking "mature" adult fish, I'm talking old mossy backed leviathans) they could be removed with minimal impact, anbd the economic benefits of becoming known as a trophy walleye factory - with a chance to "take home" a fish of a lifetime outweigh their usefulness in the population.

I agree 100% that mature adults need protection - absolute protection in my opinion. I don't know what sizes we're talking about exactly certainly as a minimum the 20-30" bracket, probably higher for big water fish in the Great Lakes. In numerous previous posts I've questioned the minimum size rules currently used in Ontario to encourage population growth - suggesting that instead it's the more mature fish which are unprotected under the current rules which most need protection. I would argue that unless you are willing to accept permanent put-and-take style stocking programs the populations will never recover when the potential prime spawning stock is removed every year as they hit the 16 or 20 inch mark.

And for the record, I'm 100% C&R with big walleye. That's my personal choice. Others can do what they want within the law and that's fine.

Post by **fishforfun** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:03 pm

I've been following this thread from the start, could someone please post the article. Hard to comment on something you haven't read and need to drive a long way to pick up!

Post by **Canadian Bacon** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:03 pm

Hawg Wobbler wrote:
I've gotta ask you crazyhook do you actually think before you post something on here None of your replies add anything constructive
They certainly do make me laugh though. It helps lighten the mood. Everyone (including myself) has been way too wound up lately. Time to relax and stop taking things so damn seriously. Laugh a little folks!

HW (not sure which one though, I'm so confused)

Although a good laugh is needed at times..there is also times when making fun is not appropriate...I agree whole heartedly with John!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:02 pm

[quote="John"]I've gotta ask you crazyhook do you actually think before you post something on here

None of your replies add anything constructive

Just trying to add some humor, spring is almost here, we should all go and cast together and have a few laughs. Cabin fever is almost over

Post by **wolfe** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:01 pm

I'm all for reading any and all info such as those excerpts posted by CCB, or any other educational articles or studies which might help me to better understand and help protect & maintain healthy fisheries.

There are people here who really feel strongly about conservation, (and maybe granola, too!

) myself included. We should be able to post our opinions and pro-conservation info without reciprocating hostile and sarcastic replies, although a civil response with a difference of opinion is always respected. I don't think a special forum is necessary.

I like that I can continue to learn things here. Although I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE those big fish pictures, too, I also appreciate the brainier side of FH.Net!

W.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:03 pm

Wolfe is correct! nothing wrong with an opinion and some granola!

Post by **ganman** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:48 pm

I thought it (granola pic) was hilarious. I opened it at work and showed a co worker, we both had a laugh. Still not nearly as hysterical as MT Livewells little snippet of the guy running into the horses(?) butt. Wish I knew where he got that

I have a juvenile sense of humour.

Post by **Big Fisher** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:01 am

Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion but comments like this get me going

"Hopefully those members that felt trophy fish were fair game (just because they are legal) will make an effort to get a copy of this article, read it, and learn from it. "

Makes it seem like those who keep big fish or their limit are somehow uninformed and stupid

Post by **LowKey** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:40 am