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I was watching a hunting show a couple or three weeks back on CH, channel 18 out of Hamilton. There was a parental warning that some scenes may not be suitable for children. I don't normally watch hunting shows. This was big surprise to me.

I don't hunt. I don't object to others hunting either. But, I guess some four year olds don't need to see Bambi blown away on saturday morning.

My immediate thought was" How long until we're so damned urbanized that we see these warnings on fishing shows?" I checked the "Angler and Hunter" show on Global the next day to see if there was a warning. No. I figured it was CH's sole decision.

So, this morning, at 7:00 AM, CH runs this show called " Angler, Young Angler" about a tournie, largely parents and children, on Wollaston Lake. Lo and behold, there is a warning that this program may not be suitable for some children before the show and at each break.

Why would CH suddenly institute this policy? I wonder if CH felt pressured to do this. If so, by whom? Is CH just the first of what will become an avalanche of stations to give fishing shows a parental warning? Is there an age at which children are too young to see fish caught and killed? Some things to think about.


Leakyboot

Hey, Leakyboot.

Nothing beats just good parental supervision, ya know? Commercials themselves offer more offense than many programs. With our boys at ages 7 & 4, we do not allow them to "channel surf". They know their allowed channels and really respect those parameters...at least for NOW. During NASCAR or some other events, we make sure there is always one of us in the room with the kids. So at the 1st sight of something inappropriate, we can hit the channel changer and that's that. It only takes a moment or two, so we are always "on guard".

I understand your point was a little different than the point I mentioned, but Ty & Shane would both be upset by the Bambi situation you mentioned, so all the more reason to ban channel cruising among the kids for now. Their emotional maturity level should match or exceed the stuff they're expected to absorb.

W.

I don't care what anyone says, TV is the ultimate baby sitter.

Sit 'em down in front of the tube and watch the cayote blow himself up, or Fog Horn Leg Horn pick up the sleeping dog by the tail and wack it with a 2x4.

How can we be well adjusted if what don't learn the lumps life is gonna throw our way.
(I was so busy this week, I'm pretty sure my boss picked me up by the tail and took the 2x4 to me. ).



M.T. Livewell

They see it, doesn't necessarily mean they're going to do it, think about doing it or ask you about it. So what if it's on TV. Leaky I don't agree with the warnings it's a waste of time and stupid in my opinion. Up here 4 year olds might not even be told to duck when daddy raises the rifle to take a moose. A 5 year old knows to thwack the fish on the head if it's going home with ya. If the kids 6 with tough fingers he might help pluck the fresh goose and by 8 he might be the one who shot it. Doesn't make psychopathic killers more than it makes outdoorspeople.

Problem with TV is they know the audience is urban. A gun in hand on the screen might look neat to a kid, but so what's he gonna shoot on the 5 blocks past the 7-11 and mall on the way to school, another kid. I like to hope they have more intelligence than that, or at least the parents do to tell them otherwise. And that just doesn't go for hunting or fishing shows, but all crap on TV the kids might get into. My daughters 6 years old and I let her watch every fishing show, horror movies, violence like the Terminator and so on. I have never once seen her even simulate gun play, sex, or violence. (beyond the play fighting her and I take part in at times)

It's crap. TV in this case, like the example you've described Leaky, tries culling out the genuiness of everything remotely fabricated to be possibly insensitive. What it leads to is the rising"metro-gay" society we're seeing more of today. Boys more sensitive than girls, and girls into nothing but themsleves.

Moosebunk,

Can't disagree with you more, but that's OK. I still look forward to my daily dose of 'Bunk.

W.

M.T. Livewell wrote:Sit 'em down in front of the tube and watch the cayote blow himself up, or Fog Horn Leg Horn pick up the sleeping dog by the tail and wack it with a 2x4.

M.T., watching those cartoons as a kid, I say, I say, I say, I still get the urge to drop a grand piano off the top of tall buildings now and again. And I have a peculiar need to purchase only Acme brand products. It's very strange...

W.

Is quite a polar comment to yours wolfe, and in reading back mine might be misperceived. I agree with you on censorship for the kids, but, I probably censor alot less. We all know there is some stuff out there that they've got close their eyes for, and in the case of my 6 year old, she sometimes closes them without my asking anyway.

First 2 "bad" movies I saw as a real younging around grade 3 (7-8 years old) Beverly Hills Cop and Porky's. First album, Twisted Sister that same grade.

I like to think I turned out OK.

Well, I don't know about you're turning out OK.....?

This is NOT to open another can of worms, but to emphasize my point on letting kids watch TV at their descretion... I remember watching TV alone when I was a little kid and stumbling across a PBS documentary on seal hunting (not getting into the political / ethical / employment issues with anyone on this)... I remember watching the clubbing scenes and being really sickened and frightened by them. It was awful. No adults around. Too young to see that, in my opinion. The images are still there, as if I saw them yesterday. So images / impressions can be lasting.

Kids grow up fast. Plenty of time for them to be exposed, and exposed they will be, to sex, violence, predjudices, etc. I believe in letting little kids be little, and if that involves a certain degree of sheltering and protection, then that's just my particular conservative style. I think, too, that you need to take into consideration your particular kid / kids' personalities and maturity levels.

[quote="wolfe"]I remember watching the clubbing scenes and being really sickened and frightened by them. It was awful. No adults around. Too young to see that, in my opinion. The images are still there, as if I saw them yesterday. So images / impressions can be lasting.
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You did see it young though wolfe, and the what once was the gruesome and scary image has lasted a lifetime possibly helping and shaping the awesome and conciencious person you have become today.

Aren't you a verrrry clever man, Moosebunk.

So now I HAVE to agree with you, right?

Seriously, though...your points are taken and I understand where you're coming from. I'm just an old fashioned girl, ya know?

Big peace sign coming at ya, Moosebunk. It's always enlightening to discuss and debate.

W.

A BIG Peace sign to you too bud. Fun stuff and great food for thought on my rainy saturday morning. Glad you're around for a mother's perspective. You and my Brenda would get on well, she's asleep for the day, so it's good you were awake to give me her opinion.

And you don't have to say it, I know, she's a smart woman.

Funny CH would instate such warnings on a fishing or hunting show, yet earlier this week on the news I nearly threw up when I watched huge dead muskies and pike being pulled out of the Black River which got accidentally filled with liquid manure.

A warning before they ran the clip of boatloats of dead fish killed by some idiot accidentally ruining a watershed would have been nice. Whether or not they fine the culprit is of course still to be determined. What a joke.

UrbanAngler wrote:....earlier this week on the news I nearly threw up when I watched huge dead muskies and pike being pulled out of the Black River which got accidentally filled with liquid manure.

Thousands upon thousands of fish killed by the cow crap. Sickening, in every aspect of the word. I missed the news clip, but Brian was telling me about it. Hopefully some very serious / significant repercussions will be bestowed.

W.

Well these warnings are a message of what much of society has become especially the urban one . Wolfe I'm not here to get into it how you choose to raise your kids or censor the things the things they watch but I wish to answer some things you brought up even if it does open a can of worms . You say your an old fashioned girl but in reality your not even close . Old fashioned girls would not worry about anything getting whacked on the head or a bit of blood . They would not have time for the tube either because of the chores they had to do and one of them would be to feed the livestock they would later see hit on the head . Just life.

My daughter was raised watching and even helping me hunt,trap and fish and if anything was intriqued when the skinning or eviscerating went on . It became educational even, because as I went about my business we had much time to talk and I explained my things too her such as the different parts of animals that allows them to live . She didn't have to wait for highschool biology class and disect a frog or worm to understand the anatomy or internal organs of any critter . She already knew this from a young age and it was by following me around and learning . Heck she was in the boat or on the trail as soon as she could walk . Yes our culture maybe different from many urban centres but is it not better for our kids to understand facts from fiction .? Yes things die at our hands so that we may eat or use it so, why hide it .? IT'S LIFE and the truth . I get no pleasure out of killing and neither do most that harvest living creatures .

Now my daughter is coming up 16 and has gone girly,girl on me when her friends are around, because some of them have moved here and don't understand our way of life . They squeel etc. if I have beaver carcasses etc. in my truck or I am carving up a deer but they are fascinated and do like to touch a pelt and even my daughter shrugs her shoulders and says its not a big deal to them . Heck she even explains the process or different parts of the animal to them .

My problem is though that with these friendships she now no longer wants to go out with her dad on his outdoor excursions other than maybe fish, but instead is dying her hair, putting on makeup or playing xbox etc games . Now you tell me Wolfe, is it better for her to do that fake nonsense and learn nothing or be exposed to the things I have shown her since a young age which are real life .

We can censor our kids viewing certain things but harvesting game or fish should never be one of them and if anything it should be promoted . Kids who hunt and trap do not grow up to mug little old ladies and they learn to respect life and the living more than they will ever learn from that purple dinosaur . Lets not hide something that has gone on for thousands of years and hopefully will continue too and it not should be looked upon as anything than what it is . It's life .

TD

Guess we do see very differently on some things.

But I'm secure and satisfied with the way I raise my boys and have been told by many folks, particularly older ones, what good kids I'm raising and what a good job my husband and I are doing. I feel great about that, and what I see in my boys' potential.

I'm "old fashioned" in that I am very conservative. There are several facets to the term, not just your point.

W.