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Quebec Red

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:09 pm
by Canadian Bacon
Anyone ever heard of a fish clled Quebec Red?
A buddy of mine said he had some a while back but I said I had never heard of it. I asked what it looked like..he said He only saw were fillets and they were really red meat.
I looke it up on our fish ID but could not see it there. I am guessing he has the name wrong but ..who knows. Any have any idea?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:11 pm
by FLOATFISHIN
Craig, Im not 100% but think its a form of speckle in the PQ region, and was given the name because of their meat color?

But like I said bro, not 100%

F.F

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:15 pm
by Canadian Bacon
That is the first thing I asked him...he said no but wasn't sure either...
I think your right..anyone else....have any ideas?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:39 pm
by Manny
CB, a Québec Red ou bien une rouge is a speckled trout or a brookie. If they swear that it's not a brookie, then they are thinking of an artic char. It's slang, as there are tons of slang names for fish in La belle province.

Some folk though swear that brookies and reds are not the same fish, they would bet their whole estate on this. Might be that some brookies caught are vibrant red and others are more bland in coloring?? Might be a different breed of brookies??

Still a brookie.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:43 pm
by Canadian Bacon
Thank you very much.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:46 pm
by Manny
Your welcome.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:52 pm
by big-o
Well now i know that winter is coming....Manny is posting again :wink: .......good to hear from you Bud :D :D :D :D

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:13 pm
by Manny
big-o wrote:Well now i know that winter is coming....Manny is posting again :wink: .......good to hear from you Bud :D :D :D :D
Basically :oops: :oops: ,

But now that I have worked like a madman during the off-season, I have all winter off.

This is going to be fun.

Manny

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:54 pm
by Wall-I-Guy
Could be a couple things I know of.

Many people refer to Brookies as "Reds" which is a common error.

I do it myself only to distinguish them from Lakers or Bows. Me and my Quebec amis, refer to Brookies as "Reds", Lakers as "Greys" which is common with most people who fish them. Now, in the last few years we've taken to calling the Bows "Blues" for the bluish tinge they have in our lake.

There are "Quebec Reds" further north which are actually a "Char" as Manny stated. If you ever see one the difference between that and a Brookie are very obvious. The belly is incredibly red or redish/orange...

I had this exact chat with some of the people who run the Parks over in Quebec. They too insist they are two different beasts....errrr fish :!:


Manny, we should get fishing again this year :?: :D

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:01 pm
by joco
YEP


,,,,,,,,,,, truite rouge, or truite du quebec or mouchete ,,,,is a speckle

,,,,,,,,,,,,truite grise or une grise,,,touladie,,,,,,,,is a laker


HEY manny comment sa vas,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :P


going nere maniwaki this winter,,,,,,


joco :P

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:07 pm
by Ciscoekid
They are a specle but a different strain. I was told they were relics from the ice age. This could be the strain you might find in James bay. I am not 100 % either, Ciscoekid.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:23 pm
by jsdx
I think that there are alot of quebecers who refer to the "regular" brookies as reds but the real reds are a different subspecies... I suspect that its kind of like "pickerel" vs "walleye" for valley folks.

All brook trout (lakers too) are "char" aka Salvelinus

Quebec Reds are Arctic char (landlocked) but are historically listed as a different subspecies

Arctic char == "Salvelinus alpinus" vs
Quebec Reds == "Salvelinus alpinus marstoni" vs
Book trout = "Salvelinus fontinalis"

That said, I have exhausted any info retained from my undergrad biology degree.

With google and the marstoni name you can find more about these fish.
Interestingly http://www.canlii.org/ca/regu/crc1120/part37327.html lists them as one of the species of char in the National Park fishing regulations (did you know these existed ?)
Also this is kind of cool - there is expertise in Ottawa ala Brian Coad. -> http://briancoad.com/NCR/Salmonidae.htm

Reds

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:24 pm
by GamblerSteve
Craig,

My brother-inlaw has one mounted I'll get a picture of it. I'm pretty sure that it's a speckle trout. They have really red bellies.

Steve

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:42 pm
by Canadian Bacon
Thanks guys...
Steve that would be great!

Quebec red

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:30 pm
by Corey Gaffney~BAssboy
I have caught these fish myself and are some of the most beautiful coloured fish and they call them the quebec red due to the dark dark red belly the males have during early season. Had a picture of one close to 5 pounds but misplaced it. Either beautiful fish.

Corey