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Out of Season Fishing is alive and well
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:29 am
by Terry_F
I'm not one to get on my soapbox, but this has made me really mad.
It seems that the B1 Tournament advertised on this site has secured an agreement to allow pre-fishing before the season is open.
Is this not one of the core values of most of the guys on this site?
The season is the season, right or wrong it is the law and we comply with it.
The reasoning is sound, fisheries protection is the goal, we support it.
I find that I'm going to miss some key opening dates this year due to work commitments, so maybe I can get a special arrangement to fish a few days early too.
This is a slippery slope and in my opinion members of F-H should not be supporting this.
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:35 am
by steve-hamilton
we'll see how the admin deals with it.
i see how they deal with other issues that they dont agree with - lock it down.
i guess how fishhawk deals with this announcement will show how they 'truely' feel about out of season fishing....
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:53 am
by SteelHeaderOntario
Ireally don't think it should be locked down
I believe this is an oppertunity to voice on something alot agree on
if we cant voice no one will be heard
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:19 pm
by Muskie4L
steve-hamilton wrote:we'll see how the admin deals with it.
i see how they deal with other issues that they dont agree with - lock it down.
i guess how fishhawk deals with this announcement will show how they 'truely' feel about out of season fishing....
Thanks for the vote of confidence Steve, we only try to help out here and sorry to say we can't please all
I like to think the time and effort that we volunteer here at least helps a bit.
But anyway if Berkley struck a deal with the Minister of Natural Resources of Quebec, that should be taken up with them. A special agreement must mean it's not out of season fishing?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:21 pm
by gorfman007
give an inch take a mile!! From my experience, Tourney fishermen/ women on any given day can outfish probably 98% of the fisherpeople population. I'm not a pro I never pre-fish any place i go before i decide to go there, and i very rarely get skunked . I've fished with an up and coming pro in my youth and he would go over water that i fished and would get fish where i could not. So this prefishing stuff I don't feel is necessary. They have the savey to find the fish.
Having said that I don't have to dish out big bucks for fees or boats or travel and hotel/motel ..... They also have sponsors that help with the expenses and I guess that they do have to perform if they display their sponsors' wares.. Pre fishing is their Insurance I guess.
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:10 pm
by RIVERKILLER
first of all I think the mods do a thankless job trying to keep all of us in check.But really guys what is the big deal ? They pay big money to fish and if the MNR says it is ok then what is the issue.I am more worried about them letting people in Quebec drink in their boats...... not to mention 5 tip ups for ice-fishing ?????
and it is not the tournament guys you have to worry about it is Johnny weekend who SAYS he is fishing for pike when in reality he is fishing for largemouth before the opener!!
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:58 pm
by marc Thorpe
fisheries and resources are managed for JOHNY WEEKEND not competitive anglers,nor guides,nor charters nor outfitters and lodges
They should not have any special privileged,in any regards the matter is being looked into as we speak
Most guys fishing bass and saying they are fishing for pike are not Johny weekenders they are deliberate bass anglers which fish the species through the year.
Just like the guys that use 2 rods,they know they are breaking the law
Ignorance of the law is breaking the law
season are in place to protect the species,no special privileges should be gained
Generally all pre season is done under scientific control with a study in mind
Most studies on spawning for game fish have been done that is why we have closed season
Ignorance is bliss
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:23 pm
by MLR
Yet another thread about law breaking, claiming the law is the law.
And there isn't one us that does not breaks laws, we just pick different ones that are ok to break.
But it is unfortuate that the governing bodies didn't come and seek your approval before making a one time exception.
Maybe its time to ban bass tournaments? (just sticking to a recent theme)
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:25 pm
by Wallyboss
But wasn't it okay to open up bass there, 2nd Sat in June last year????
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:32 pm
by bradford2
They should not have any special privileged,in any regards the matter is being looked into as we speak
Have you read anywhere yet that it's only the tourney guys able to fish early? Or are you assuming that? Curious is all.
Most guys fishing bass and saying they are fishing for pike are not Johny weekenders they are deliberate bass anglers which fish the species through the year.
Seriously? I know a LOT of harcore bass guys, tourney guys and not tourney guys. Not ONE of them would be caught dead fishing bass before the season opened for fear of getting a bad rep. You're a hardcore muskie guy right? Would you go out and fish for 'Pike' before the muskie season started..... hoping to hook into a lunge. I don't think so. But you assume the bass guys do? Come on......
I don't know why everyone keeps calling it poaching.... fishing out of season.... etc. etc. So far I haven't seen ANY details on what is really going on and people are assuming everything and going nuts. If they (QMNR) allow guys to fish before the 19th in any way, shape, or form, then they are not breaking any laws.......
If they raised the speed limit on the 401 to 110 for a day..... and you drove 110 are you then breaking the law?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:40 pm
by slop
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:42 pm
by bradford2
I didn't vote
It's NOT ok to fish out of season. The real question is, is that what this situation is or not?
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:08 pm
by marc Thorpe
[/quote]The Berkley B1 is proud to announce that the official pre-tournament practice period has been extended. The new pre-tournament practice period is from Monday, June 15th to Friday, June 19th, 2009, allowing for 5 complete days of practice. The tournament waters will be off-limits from Monday, June 8th to Sunday, June 14th inclusively.
The Berkley B1, in collaboration with the Minister of Natural Resources of Quebec, has secured this special agreement, allowing anglers the necessary time to properly pre-fish and prepare for this highly anticipated competition.
Please refer to the updated B1 Angler Package ver. 1.1.2 for complete details.
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Well if you interpret the press release,i'd say somehow they have acquired to pre fish before the season as of June 15th
I explained the calender year in the B1 post,I would gather that Quebec is possibly harmonizing the some openers
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:08 pm
by marc Thorpe
[/quote]The Berkley B1 is proud to announce that the official pre-tournament practice period has been extended. The new pre-tournament practice period is from Monday, June 15th to Friday, June 19th, 2009, allowing for 5 complete days of practice. The tournament waters will be off-limits from Monday, June 8th to Sunday, June 14th inclusively.
The Berkley B1, in collaboration with the Minister of Natural Resources of Quebec, has secured this special agreement, allowing anglers the necessary time to properly pre-fish and prepare for this highly anticipated competition.
Please refer to the updated B1 Angler Package ver. 1.1.2 for complete details.
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Well if you interpret the press release,I'd say somehow they have acquired to pre fish before the season as of June 15th
I explained the calender year in the B1 post,I would gather that Quebec is possibly harmonizing the some of the openers
as far as my comment on Johnny weekend,thats was a reply to riverkiller in regards to someone labeling johnny weekenders as the main culprits for fishing bass out of season.
Which is not entirely true
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:09 pm
by RIVERKILLER
marc Thorpe wrote:fisheries and resources are managed for JOHNY WEEKEND not competitive anglers,nor guides,nor charters nor outfitters and lodges
They should not have any special privileged,in any regards the matter is being looked into as we speak
they are fishing for pike are not Johny weekenders they are deliberate bass an
Most guys fishing bass and saying glers which fish the species through the year.
Just like the guys that use 2 rods,they know they are breaking the law
Ignorance of the law is breaking the law
season are in place to protect the species,no special privileges should be gained
Generally all pre season is done under scientific control with a study in mind
Most studies on spawning for game fish have been done that is why we have closed season
Ignorance is bliss
you said it ignorance is bliss...and if you think any guy who fishes tournaments would fish out of season you are crazy because they have everything to lose....$80,000 bass boat,thousands of dollars worth of tackle and their REPUTATION not to mention a lifetime ban from tournaments.How many out of season bass pictures do you see posted here by bass pros ?? And the weekend fisherman (quite a few) end of discussion
