Fish-Hawk.Net

hi all.

have a little 185 bayou kawa.at the cottage.

it was going good....but we deside to do a tune up.kind off.

change the spark plug..change the gaz filter change the air filter...clean the gaz tank put new gaz in it etc.

did not toutch the carb.....

not its not going good... .

ideal great but cant take mutch gaz,,full trottle goes very slow and bark a lot...and the spark (new) is very dark after 5min.. .

there is not mutch in those bayou.

i gues its the carb.......but would like some info...

thanks.

joco

Joco...check the spark plug wire

Joco ...like tmh said sounds like when you removed the plug wire you

might have pulled the wire inside the spark plug end ,and now theres a
gap between the wire and connection .push the wire up through end

and see if its still making contact with the copper sleeve.......the part
that snaps on the spark plug


just an idea

Check the vent hose from the tank. Make sure is not blocked. How long was the gas sitting in the tank? If the spark plug wires don't lead you anywhere check the carb. Gas sitting in a carb for as little as 2months can cause a residue deposit. Clean and set the carb back uo and you should be good.
Cheers
JP

Joco look for a product call SEAFOAM. It is a gas additive originaly made for boats but is amazing in all 2 and 4 strokes.




John

hey jp..

How long was the gas sitting in the tank?

before i start anything on the 4 weeler......there was some old gaz and it work fine actualy good.went around for a little ride.

then i took the gaz tank out rince it wit new gaz and put brand new gaz in it..

change the spark plus(new)

change the air filter

change the gaz filter.

change the motor oil.

the only thing i did not toutch was the carb because it was working ok...


wen idealing its perfect it runs ok.but wen i guive it gas........nope...start to bark and do go anywhere.. .


i was looking for that little ride for ice fishing..

joco

Joco check the high speed jets in the carb it sounds like they are blocked or dirty. Power tune will clean it out just let the jets and carb soak for at least 20 min before yo reassemble them.
Your gas tank probably sucked in some residue from the bottom of your gas tank. Once you get it running again use a gas additive or stabalizer so it does not happen again if itis left for any length of time.
Cheers
JP

I would agree with JP. When you cleaned the gas tank you may have stirred up some dirt. Is there a fuel filter located in the tank? If not then that is what has happend. Other things to consider. GAPing the spark plug? Spark plug wire? Fuel filter?

thanks guys.

will try something helse wen i go back to the cottage.

the gaz filter is on the line betwen the gaz tank and the gaz pump.and the pressur was high wen i try it..so not the filter.

as to be in the carb.. .

its an old 1986 bayou but its in great shape......did not use it mabe 50km in the last 5 year... ..but it ran great the day before i try to do a good tune up.. .

thanks guys...will clean that carb i gues.there nothing helse.

joco

Hey Joco

It really sounds like dirt in the carb. That happens to me a lot on my dirt bike. You probably have sme varnish built up on the high speed jet or pick up tube. The other thing it may be is the ignition breaking down because of improper spark plug gap or heat range. Did you put in the same plug that the manual reccomends? If you still have problems, let me know and I'll see if I can help you. just send me a a PM if you bring it down from the cottage.

Cheers,

Rick

thanks legend.

yep.the carb i gues.

i did buy the spark plus at a 4 weeler store...and i even try it again wit the old one.(still good) and it was the same....dont take the gaz....only idealding is ok not more then that...

thanks guys

joco

joco it's not as easy as one would think

If you are going to clean the fuel system go all the way...


I suspect like a few others you have disturbed something in the fuel tank or my guess fuel line or because of the lack of use and not having fuel stabilised this is the problem starting to occur it's called

PHASE SEPARATION

What is happenig is the fuel is starting to break down and the additives are coming out of suspension and depositing in the carburetor/fuel injectors/direct fuel injectors and causing leanness popping, farting and crapping... or in your case maybe just the beginnings of the problem.


Also I had one outbaord motor this year, new carb kit, but one part did not like too much ethanol, my tank it ran fine and on his tank it made the part swell to stick the float and flood the engine. Different gas.....

That carb should have a drain at the bottom and if you can drain the gas and GENTLY blow any debris from the float bowl...

Also the rubbers used in the pats may not be compatible with the gas to-day so watch for degredation of the fuel system components, fuel line floats gaskets aftr a few years the neoprene turns to fine paricles lie pepper and no power tune will ever remove that from a carb so it may well have to be pulled apart and BLOWN out to get all the crap out.


There is no such thing as a tune-up as far as I am concerned

If you change a spark plug you have changed a spark plug



I'm working on


What really is a "TUNE-UP" and do I really need one or is this just the dealer making money?????

I used to have this discussion with the guys up front who wrote the work orders...

They would write tune-up and so we had a procedure for tune-ups..

THEY woukld ASSUME the engine would run properly after having a tune-up even though the rod went through the block or the motor had been run out of oil.....
You'd do an hours worth of work and find out the motor runs on one cylinder and the PARTS/SALES/OWNER guy and the customer decided to do a tune-up to solve the problem instead of using their brain and letting the mechanic decide what the SOLUTION is,....... thats there job

Ahh it made for some interesting conversations and it hasn't much changed,

Because of the nature fo the beast most shops are way low in the wage scale so you don't get the sharpest knifes in the drawer

I have trained apprentices for some 20 years and was doing it before I became a service manager and motorcyle mechanic and at the time I started all you needed was grade 10 and you were signed up in the program...

This is not the case for marine.... I have seen no government certification for marine mechanics ...
There are courses at colleges for the marine industry and I have taken a few but nothign like a motorcylce or for that matter car license and that is the difference a 4 hour exam that most mechanic in the marine industry to-day would FAIL....

Think about it.... I have my five years experince in so why don't I write the manufacturer's Master Tech test and see how good I am, and help the bring the level of competency of my shop up by having that piece of paper... That's what I look for in a shop the willingness to extend their education and help the customer whether the shop benefits or not...

There will always be shops but if you pee pee too many customers off THEY WILL LEAVE THE INDUSTRY and go


RVing


After I got my master tech paper I got referrals from the manufacturer and got new customers from those contacts. It's funny becasue I may have lost a few bucks doing warranty for these referrals but when it came time to repower or upgrade to new bigger boat our shop was their first choice.....


Look for the dealers motivation are they just being freindly to get our business or are they communicating their services only most shops don't want the customer to know much more than where to put the gas.
I'd like the customers to read their owners manula and if they have questions call and ask before they strand themselves and bad mouth the dealer....


Perspective is everything... I make it a habit of checking drain plugs when I recieve a boat.. You never know... a few days of rain and

So this guys brings his boat in and we do a MAINTENANCE CHECK and he leaves, calls 3 days later and just reems out the parts guys and then the owner, then he's going to sue real looney toon.....

Brings boat in and there is a water line on the carpet just past the gas tank access cover...boat is destroyed damaged motor the sky is falling

I talk to the guy and explain the procedure and of course the procedure is wrong in this case as the boat has a cover(not installed when dropped off for service and not in the boat) and stays in the garage, it seems this is his baby and he slept in it the first night he got it, his wife's words. He was more embarrassed than anyhting when I showed him the check list on the side of the dash reminding him of the drian being in place before putting the boat in the water. He said he never remembers to read that, that is why he leaves the plug in. I thought I had him thinking straight when he went back to his reliving the experience and thats when another customer who was there that day comes in and explains why he likes us to remove his drian plug when his boat comes in for service(winterizing) and how we saved his bacon one weekend when it rained he was out of town and the boat was in the laneway uncovered....


One glass is half full and one glass is half empty I find out what kind of customer you are and treat each individually most GOOD customers bring GOOD customers and vice versa

ANYWAY HAPPY NEW YEAR AND BOUY


I LOVE SNOW