question.guide/client number off rod.

[Trophymuskie]

your a guide........that answer was expected.

and say it all......

you say...

Only difference with a guide is that he'll be skipping his turn.

except the client's are paying for the extra rod.

you said it all.......we all understand........

people that want to fish wit more rod.have to hire a guide............that is it.


my point was..........everybody is supose to be on the same level same reg....why its alwasy about $$$$$...


its not worth more comment frome me.



i said in the first tread not go over wit this.....

I also said it was the same as fishing with a buddy, you still are fishing with 2 rods on your turn.

There is no advantage other then fishing with someone who spends a lot of time on the water and should be knowledgeable about the query of the day.

People who hire guides are paying for an entire experience, from a good guide with a good boat and with good fishing equipment etc etc and not for the extra rod. Well it`s that way for my business as I know some shady guides out there.

[Musky51]

Shady guides? cmon man!

[joco]

TM...People who hire guides are paying for an entire experience, from a good guide with a good boat and with good fishing equipment etc

you kind off right .....yep.

they hope to have a good guide....



some people just want to get big fish and dont care about the rest...

some just to get some spots.

some to get a monster

some because sheaper then buy everything to go fish

some to lurne some technick and tricks...and what lures etc.if they have a good guide.


the seconde rod might help somewhere...

what about higher % off gething a fish...

you dont have to justify anything..


tru you said about taking turne....but the only deference you skip yours...

.good one.

you said.....There is no advantage other then fishing with someone who spends a lot of time on the water and should be knowledgeable about the query of the day.

2 rod insted of one........might be some kind off advantage...you doble the %% kind off an advantage to me..twice more chance..
so more chance for client more chance to catch monster more chance to get him back more chance to get that tip more chance to get good recomandation frome him and so on...so might be a little advantage...to get the client to get THE fish..use more rod for him..






i said what i think about this you did the same lets be it...

thanks for your side off story...MT


joco.

[Musky51]

your a guide........that answer was expected.

and say it all......

you say...

Only difference with a guide is that he'll be skipping his turn.

except the client's are paying for the extra rod.

you said it all.......we all understand........

people that want to fish wit more rod.have to hire a guide............that is it.


my point was..........everybody is supose to be on the same level same reg....why its alwasy about $$$$$...


its not worth more comment frome me.



i said in the first tread not go over wit this.....

I also said it was the same as fishing with a buddy, you still are fishing with 2 rods on your turn.

There is no advantage other then fishing with someone who spends a lot of time on the water and should be knowledgeable about the query of the day.

People who hire guides are paying for an entire experience, from a good guide with a good boat and with good fishing equipment etc etc and not for the extra rod. Well it`s that way for my business as I know some shady guides out there.

Who are these " Shady guides" you speak of?

[taylor]

People haven't been sharing any reports here, so I don't know where to go fish for muskie. I've been thinking about hiring a guide next week or the week after. What shady things should I look out for?

[steve-hamilton]

just get the advice from folks who know the area....

there are lots of guides in Eastern Ontario...i'm sure some are better than others.

[Trophymuskie]

Joco I naturally don't take note of this but I can guarantee you the numbers are real close.

When I fish with 2 clients and 3 rods, I know for sure rod #1 will get 80% of the fish and rod 2 probably 18% leaving but 2 out of 100 fish on the extra rod. Now with one client and two rods it's probably at 90-10 or less.

Naturally these results can be different for everyone as I have a system where the extra rod is more of a wild card rather then a primary rod. Even with 2 rods I will have my #1 hitter and somewhat of a wild card on the other rod.

I remember this summer when we caught 5 fish trolling one afternoon in the rain and all fish came from the #1 rod and even after I had changed the others to the same lure.


Jamie get a life.

[joco]

hi TROPHYMUSKY

i beleive what you said no prob.

but that // number one rod could be yours not the client rod.

so he might catch all the fish wit your rod not is own..right..?

but this subject is done.

there is no real answer.

because would you imagine if the client would not be allowed the guide rod.....guide would not like that and the client ho pay big $$ would not to.

so it wont change.


have a great end off season.



joco.

[Trophymuskie]

hi TROPHYMUSKY

i beleive what you said no prob.

but that // number one rod could be yours not the client rod.

so he might catch all the fish wit your rod not is own..right..?

but this subject is done.

there is no real answer.to grey area....and receive some info that i was right frome other musky guide and game warden...but it was still a greay area...9actualy not..but.nobody will put this in effect).

because would you imagine if the client would not be allowed the guide rod.....guide would not like that and the client ho pay big $$ would not to.

so it wont change.


have a great end off season.



joco.

Hey if it was law then so be it we would fish with one rod per client. I am a fully legal and legitimate guide ( a rare thing ). Most of my clients come from states that allow 2, 3 and even unlimited number of rods, they don't have a problem fishing with only one per person as per law here in Ontario. And if the guide could not use a rod then it would not change a thing, they come here to catch trophy muskies and the number of rods has nothing to do with it.

Have a good one.

[joco]

they come here to catch trophy muskies and the number of rods has nothing to do with it.


you got the .''''''come here t get trophy musky ''''right..

rods...has something to do......more% to get some.....i think it as something to do at the end.

more % to get a big fish actualy twice the chance.if you have one client and 2 rod.even if it one rod that bit.those not meen its is rod.hey.



but they dont come here for 2 rod.this is true.they come here because they have a chance to get a monster that is it.

take care,

joco

[troutnmuskiehunter]

Trophymuskie aka Richard Collins quotes:

I am a fully legal and legitimate guide ( a rare thing ).
People who hire guides are paying for an entire experience, from a good guide with a good boat and with good fishing equipment etc etc and not for the extra rod. Well it`s that way for my business as I know some shady guides out there.

You keep referring to shady guides and your business as being a rare thing .......people on this board have responded to you to explain about what you consider or who you are calling shady guides???....we are all here to learn....please explain

[Trophymuskie]

Trophymuskie aka Richard Collins quotes:

I am a fully legal and legitimate guide ( a rare thing ).
People who hire guides are paying for an entire experience, from a good guide with a good boat and with good fishing equipment etc etc and not for the extra rod. Well it`s that way for my business as I know some shady guides out there.

You keep referring to shady guides and your business as being a rare thing .......people on this board have responded to you to explain about what you consider or who you are calling shady guides???....we are all here to learn....please explain

I am not going to step down to their level, I refuse to attack or even tell the entire truth about anyone.

All I can tell you is that I run a registered business with it's own bank accounts with full business insurance as well as cooperating with all new Federal laws. I have also taken a marine first aid course as well as a MED A3 course. Oh ya I'm also drug free.

Shady can be from a lot of things and I am sure most everyone can come up with a handful of reasons so I don't need to create a list.

You would not believe the things I have gone through in my 8 years of business from a couple of jealous guides.

[Bobber]

Well I think we've all beaten this one to death, and in some cases have even strayed from the original question....which in my opinion is a good valid question.

Joco, your question is basically focused around whether or not it should be allowed to have a person who is fishing with a guide "claim" the extra rod or rods that are out (the guide's) as part of his own.

In my opinion......why not! Richard is exactly right in this case. There was also someone who mentioned it was the same thing as having a buddy in the boat. In this case, your buddy this day is the Guide. It doesn't matter whether or not you're paying them. In this case, they do this for a living with the goal of getting their client on a good fish. Why on earth would they ever think of not putting out that extra rod to increase your chances of getting one? This really only applies to trolling. I don't think it would work with a bass guide who's flipping and pitching, unless of course the guide would hook the fish and hand it over to you. If you the client is happy with that....and the guide gets paid at the end of the day.....then all is good.

Let me put it another way......how many of us have gone to the states with our families for lets say some shopping? Many of us have I'm sure. Now when you're crossing the border back into Canada, and each person is allowed $50 at the border, if there's, your wife, and 2 kids, are you allowed only $100 (you and your wife) or are you allowed $200? ($50 for each person). The answer is that you are allowed to take across $200 without having to pay duty. Your kids didn't shop, but you have increased the amount of $$$ you can spend just cause you had them. Why wouldn't you take advantage of that if that was an option for you?

Now taking your kids fishing with you just so that you can put more rods in the water, while legal....would most likely result in a different argument from me. I personally would decline in this case, ....however if I was just with the guide with the single goal of getting my client on fish, and had the option of putting out an extra rod, then for sure, I'd take that option in a heartbeat.

Please continue the discussion if there are any other points of view, but also please keep it respectful.

Thanks.

[joco]

thanks for your opinion bobber.great to see you here....

you say.....had the option of putting out an extra rod, then for sure, I'd take that option in a heartbeat.

we all would like that for sher...............BUT are you allowed to fish wit 2 rod.........NOPE.

but again that rod is under the guide name/permit.but the fish will be caught by the client..


the only i say ask a game warden.and he will tell you.

the client must fish wit is own line.......and this as been ask on one more site and been answerd....one client 2 rod.iligal.

but the client is not fishing wit 2 rod.because its under the guide names but like richard said.past is turn.. .

mnr say its iligal.....so i wont get angainst what they say.

if a guide would ask the mnr .can my client(one client on board) fish wit 2 rod..(is own)....what would be the response...????


nope...is own rod...no one can argue on this......


the mnr wont say you can fish wit the 2 rods...that is for sher....(talking about here in this sector)


or just ask the game warden.........due that my client pay me 500$ a day.is it ligal for him to fish wit my rod and is own rod at the same time...??? so 2 rod..?

the guide will say.no that rod is mine... .the other one is the client one..


the same question have been ask to 2 game warden and the answer was one client one rod(here in this section).clear for me.


and bobber the part you say about the buddy fishing wit you as an ex.its the same pay or not.true..but those not meen its more ligal....to use is rod...nope.its the same.one rod /one guy /one permit....i do no people do it ...i personaly dont care at all.

but its not OK....its the reg.......one rod.

look here the first 5 words..

An angler may use only one line



http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/fishing/gear.html


joco ..this subeject is well overdue.

the REG IS REG.CAN BE MORE CLEAR.ITS THE LAW.

its is logic......?? its is ok???

one thing its not more ok for a guide then a reg fisherman...and its not because people have the $$$ to pay him there more allowed to go over the reg....they just have to folow the reg like all off us.



its realy easy ask a the mnr or the game warden can i fish wit 2 line...?


joco

[SteveC]

I've been reading this discussion with a great deal of interest. I think the topic gets off the rails when the issue of guides comes into it. The bottom line is that there can only be as many lines in the water as people with permits.

If you ask the real question to the MNR officer you'll get a better answer. The real question being... " If you saw a boat which had 3 people in it and 3 lines in the water would you issue a fine?" The answer is no. Obviously, there is no way to tell who's line is who's nor does it matter. They aren't going to try to figure it out. After all it would be impossible. In the event that all rods get a fish simultaneously, there will be someone available to tend to it. That is likely the real reason for this particular regulation. If it was about not increasing your odds, you would not be allowed up to 4 hooks on one line.

I do agree that if you're bringing kids along just so you can get some extra lines in the water, you should be ashamed of yourself. Bringing kids fishing, or any other acitivity with them, should be about the kids not you.

Steve