No it won't Martin. There's too many hacks out there and they don't disappear after they take some poor soles money. I'd sooner see the industry controled and the weekend hacks out of the picture.fishforfun wrote: if you have what it takes you'll make it, if you don't you'll sink, literally. That in itself will regulate #s.
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WOW.what a thread. the charterboats here are already at a dis advantage with u.s. boat operating in canadian waters. i am sure there are guides inland in ontario that are competing with u.s. guides operating all over.. i have heard grumblings of the ottawa, st lawerence, lake erie and ontario of these practices with officials being told. mpp being called no avail. before one should point the finger at guides we should have a level playing field. if this alone was adressed many issues on fisheys would dis appear.
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Ok if you mean the guy who doesn't buy proper insurance, doesn't register his business and operates on the edge. Totally agreed!! Perhaps someone who's in the business can enlighten us on what it takes to do it legally and legit. Eg. you and I buy a property on Cooks Bay, family type cottage but to help off set expenses we build 12 ice huts which we plan to rent? Legal?
There will always be the hacks Markus...some of the hacks actually catch enough fish to sustain themselves and the rest fall off the edge. I guided here on the St.Lawrence, Cote St.Catherine rapids (smallmouth & trout) for a few years and saw many "wannabes" come and go. Your clients don't catch fish, ....word travels fast. But I really don't beleive that the charter boats are the issue here. Fishing pressure is just that, fishing pressure, iregardless of the format you use to define it. whether it is charters, fish hawkers, native quotas, bank fisherman, private guides, tournies etc...it all boils down to pressure on the species populus....and as you mentioned earlier....it must be controlled, or as history has shown us, we will ruin it beyond repair. If I had a concern with the ruling by our friends on the US side of the water....I'd be asking them what research figures convinced them that this would not deplete the fishery. I'm sure they'd oblige the question. The problem is not the ruling itself....it's how many are willing to go and challenge the decision in the name of the species in question. The vast majority choose to voice their onion in forums from their keyboard, or amongst friends in a bar...how many are willing to get out of their chair and show their commitment??? Sorry for the rant, but I've met way too many critics....and way too few doer's. If your MNR feels the pressure...they'll make the necessary changes to ensure that your Canadian waters are well protected from this ruling....they don't read here..so what's left for you to do? Just make sure you have some solid data to back up your arguement. Good luck in your challenge.
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the whole subject is unbelievable. call you mpp or immigrations. up until this moment the gov has done nothing at all. this not a m.n.r. issue its customs and immigration. call them and ask you will be as pee pee as many down here have discoverd. they put nothing back into canadian economy, the u.s. based charters.if you went into u.s. waters i know you wpild be harrased or detained or possibly worse, as a canadian operator guiding.go to most l.s.c. michigan charter boat websites. they will say they fish canadian waters advertising. hard to believe but totally the truth
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Huh?
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I'm curious how this can be a matter for customs and/or immigration?
Charters or private citizens, based in the U.S., who are angling in Canadian waters need nothing more than the appropriate licenses.
Neither the CBSA or Citizenship and Immigration Canada could care less about U.S. anglers in Canadian waters- unless they set foot on Canadian soil and do not report in. I doubt they do come ashore (or anchor) in Canadian waters very often...
90% of the guide/charter business on the upper St. Lawrence is U.S. based, and they spend most of their time in Canadian waters. As long as the anglers are properly licensed, they are within their rights.
Guides based on the Ontario side of the St. Lawrence routinely fish the N.Y. state side and aren't harassed or detained or shot or ???
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I'm curious how this can be a matter for customs and/or immigration?
Charters or private citizens, based in the U.S., who are angling in Canadian waters need nothing more than the appropriate licenses.
Neither the CBSA or Citizenship and Immigration Canada could care less about U.S. anglers in Canadian waters- unless they set foot on Canadian soil and do not report in. I doubt they do come ashore (or anchor) in Canadian waters very often...
90% of the guide/charter business on the upper St. Lawrence is U.S. based, and they spend most of their time in Canadian waters. As long as the anglers are properly licensed, they are within their rights.
Guides based on the Ontario side of the St. Lawrence routinely fish the N.Y. state side and aren't harassed or detained or shot or ???
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Nope!
Nope! I don't think so.
Do you need a work permit when carrying on business in the U.S.?
I don't think so - your business (or employer's business) is based in Canada. You can travel to the states and make purchases or sales, can't you?
I may be wrong, but I believe a work permit would only be required if the business is located in the "foreign" country - e.g. a Canadian citizen who works for a U.S. charter company would require a work permit.
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Do you need a work permit when carrying on business in the U.S.?
I don't think so - your business (or employer's business) is based in Canada. You can travel to the states and make purchases or sales, can't you?
I may be wrong, but I believe a work permit would only be required if the business is located in the "foreign" country - e.g. a Canadian citizen who works for a U.S. charter company would require a work permit.
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Whoa this thread has taken a turn! As a tool maker I can build a tool here in Canada but if I'm going to install it in the US I need a work permit ,period, been there, if I'm physically doing a job that an American citizen can do I have to justify why I'm the person doing it! Does this apply to guides/charters don't know. I asked Mark last night if we buy Mich. licenses are we legal to fish in Mich. waters or do we have to go through customs and immigration first, cross by land before we enter US water? Mikey you make some good points, fact is we share this resource be it the water or the fish that swim in it, to us it's a fish issue, to politicians it's a $$ issue 
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Hmmmm...
Funny how some of these threads get sidetracked, huh? 
fff- you can fish U.S waters without having to go through U.S. customs/immigration checkpoints- again, as long as you don't anchor in U.S. waters, or set foot on U.S. soil without reporting in (either to a customs office or through one of their video phone setups). All you need is the appropriate state fishing license.
Now, on the immigration issue- some of my family members routinely make business trips throughout the states, selling their products. They own their own company and are not required to get any work permits while in the U.S. When they lived in California for a couple of years, under contract to a U.S. based firm- they did need the necessary documentation- as fff said, to make sure they were not taking jobs away from U.S workers.
CCB- promises not to sidetrack this thread again.
fff- you can fish U.S waters without having to go through U.S. customs/immigration checkpoints- again, as long as you don't anchor in U.S. waters, or set foot on U.S. soil without reporting in (either to a customs office or through one of their video phone setups). All you need is the appropriate state fishing license.
Now, on the immigration issue- some of my family members routinely make business trips throughout the states, selling their products. They own their own company and are not required to get any work permits while in the U.S. When they lived in California for a couple of years, under contract to a U.S. based firm- they did need the necessary documentation- as fff said, to make sure they were not taking jobs away from U.S workers.
CCB- promises not to sidetrack this thread again.