New Early C&R Bass Season for Americans - Lake St Clair/
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well guys its an issue none the less.and yes they anchor, land dont call in. and even pick up clients on canadian soil. if thats not working in canada i dont know what is.. boy what a twist from a bass thread.
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CCB not side tracked at all. I have dual citizenship makes border crossings a little more complicated. I would gladly buy a Mich. state license so I know I'm legal at all times. For those who have never fished the Niagara River or the bar that imaginary line which is an international border can be lost real quick while fishing! The old rules still seem to apply, anchor or dock you are required to register with the local authorities. Fishing I'm being told doesn't fall under these rules as long as you don't anchor or dock and have the apropriate license.
Actually, now that you mention it, we used to fish Memphremagog which has a US side to it so to speak. When we would go into the US water, their wardens would ask for our US fishing permits. There were no "customs" so to speak, no requests to show a passport or anything like that. As long as you met the regs everything was fine. I also fish Champlain (Alburg) and own the proper license. But I get there via land and must pass through customs with the boat....worrying about the 6 ft. 5 inch 250 lb. border guard with the AK-57 who has a passion for cavity checks!fishforfun wrote:Mikey how often do you take your boat into american waters?
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I believe when you cross into U.S waters your supposed to call in and give your boat number so they can track it.Many border waters have this method in place.Very few observe the law
If you cross into U.S waters or vice versa,you could face immigration probs for crossing the border without a declaration of doing so.
There's such a thing called Can Pass which is a frequent border crossing pass in which you call in and give your number,if pulled over you show customs officials and your on your way.Here again your suppose to cal in
"The CANPASS - Private Boats program is one of the results of the Canada-United States of America Accord on Our Shared Border. The Accord sets out initiatives to promote trade, tourism, and travel between the two countries. Revenue Canada and Citizenship and Immigration Canada are co-operating in this program to streamline customs and immigration clearance for low-risk travelers.
Travelers on a Canadian or U.S. pleasure craft have to use a telephone reporting system to get permission from a customs or immigration officer to enter Canada. However, there are different benefits for CANPASS permit holders and travelers without CANPASS permits.
As a CANPASS permit holder, you can: report your estimated arrival time by calling 1-888-CANPASS up to four hours before arriving in Canada; and arrive at any approved public marina or dock in Canada as long as marinas and docks are located within 100 km of a customs office. If you don't have a CANPASS permit, you have to report by telephone when you arrive at a designated reporting station in Canada using the 1-888-CANPASS number"
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/travellers.html
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4 ... 074-e.html
http://boating.ncf.ca/linksgov.html
As far as working inland waters,Law pretty straight forward,you cant work in either country without a work visa travelling land,the visa is issued to the non resident only if the service offered cannot be provided by the local business in the region.
Doing something about it takes a little spine
As far as insurance is concerned,best have a waver of non-responsibility for fishing accidents,boating is covered.
I agree 100% with Markus,regulation for guides and charters is a good thing,only thing is the money gathered should be channeled towards conservation in the operators geographical area.
Too many people call themselves charters without knowing the definition of a charter:From what I know,your supposed to hold a captains license.
I dont see a problem with part time guides,only problem I see is people get into it for the money or some kind of glory.The naturaly born to be do it because they are passionate and love going to work every day doing it,many times they contribute profoundly towards their resource.
Now back to the bass issue,anyone read my previous reply on the bottom
"I believe there may be info into regards of the potential loss of eggs or fry when males are pulled off beds.This type of info in correalation with population abundance and survivability % of fry or eggs could give you an inclination of what this potential could do in matters of managing the increase in population or diminishing the current population,you may also possibly find it will stabilize it.No one knows until the numbers are put together.Anyways its an idea to answering your concerns and possibly the next step in taking a decision to approach MICHIGAN DNR or not ,
with their proposed change in regulations"
Mickey ,I see you live in Brossard, I agree with your comments,they come and go.I live in good earth(Terrebonne)
The scary thing is even telemarketors survive by selling over the phone their nonsense
Show me the product
If you cross into U.S waters or vice versa,you could face immigration probs for crossing the border without a declaration of doing so.
There's such a thing called Can Pass which is a frequent border crossing pass in which you call in and give your number,if pulled over you show customs officials and your on your way.Here again your suppose to cal in
"The CANPASS - Private Boats program is one of the results of the Canada-United States of America Accord on Our Shared Border. The Accord sets out initiatives to promote trade, tourism, and travel between the two countries. Revenue Canada and Citizenship and Immigration Canada are co-operating in this program to streamline customs and immigration clearance for low-risk travelers.
Travelers on a Canadian or U.S. pleasure craft have to use a telephone reporting system to get permission from a customs or immigration officer to enter Canada. However, there are different benefits for CANPASS permit holders and travelers without CANPASS permits.
As a CANPASS permit holder, you can: report your estimated arrival time by calling 1-888-CANPASS up to four hours before arriving in Canada; and arrive at any approved public marina or dock in Canada as long as marinas and docks are located within 100 km of a customs office. If you don't have a CANPASS permit, you have to report by telephone when you arrive at a designated reporting station in Canada using the 1-888-CANPASS number"
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/travellers.html
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4 ... 074-e.html
http://boating.ncf.ca/linksgov.html
As far as working inland waters,Law pretty straight forward,you cant work in either country without a work visa travelling land,the visa is issued to the non resident only if the service offered cannot be provided by the local business in the region.
Doing something about it takes a little spine
As far as insurance is concerned,best have a waver of non-responsibility for fishing accidents,boating is covered.
I agree 100% with Markus,regulation for guides and charters is a good thing,only thing is the money gathered should be channeled towards conservation in the operators geographical area.
Too many people call themselves charters without knowing the definition of a charter:From what I know,your supposed to hold a captains license.
I dont see a problem with part time guides,only problem I see is people get into it for the money or some kind of glory.The naturaly born to be do it because they are passionate and love going to work every day doing it,many times they contribute profoundly towards their resource.
Now back to the bass issue,anyone read my previous reply on the bottom
"I believe there may be info into regards of the potential loss of eggs or fry when males are pulled off beds.This type of info in correalation with population abundance and survivability % of fry or eggs could give you an inclination of what this potential could do in matters of managing the increase in population or diminishing the current population,you may also possibly find it will stabilize it.No one knows until the numbers are put together.Anyways its an idea to answering your concerns and possibly the next step in taking a decision to approach MICHIGAN DNR or not ,
with their proposed change in regulations"
Mickey ,I see you live in Brossard, I agree with your comments,they come and go.I live in good earth(Terrebonne)
The scary thing is even telemarketors survive by selling over the phone their nonsense
Show me the product
I am the happy owner of a Canpass which is a god send when using the company jet for business travel. As mentioned earlier, I fish Champlain and have never been asked to produce a passport or similar document while on the water, but if I recall correctly, Nighttroller was asked to produce some "special document" while fishing US waters at one time. Maybe he'll chime in here on that.
Unlike "commercial" fishing...the laws governing sport fishing seem to get very little publicity and very few seem to truly know how and what laws apply to whom. I see you are of the same opinion here Marc, unless the data has clearly shown that this reg change could endanger the survival of the Bass population in the lake, one could assume that studies done prior to the ruling show otherwise.
As I mentioned earlier, if you are going to challenge the ruling, you better have credable data showing a depletion of the stocks under the present rules that govern the sportfishing side and realistic projections that show a clear picture of the negative impact over a given period of time. Otherwise, your arguement (playing devils advoacate here) boils down to not wanting Americans buzzing around in your home waters...which has nothing to do with the initial concerns of the survival of the species.
Personally, I haven't seen a depletion of Bass anywhere I have fished, over the years I have fished those areas. But as Marc mentioned in his post...are the studies showing that even with the present level of pressure, the species may not only be surviving, but are flourishing? If that's the case...then this ruling tells me that their analysis has shown them the species will continue to either maintain it's present levels, or continue to thrive at least.
Marc, I'll be out in the area of "Goodearth" today sometime hehehe!!
Tight Lines from the "Shore South"
Unlike "commercial" fishing...the laws governing sport fishing seem to get very little publicity and very few seem to truly know how and what laws apply to whom. I see you are of the same opinion here Marc, unless the data has clearly shown that this reg change could endanger the survival of the Bass population in the lake, one could assume that studies done prior to the ruling show otherwise.
As I mentioned earlier, if you are going to challenge the ruling, you better have credable data showing a depletion of the stocks under the present rules that govern the sportfishing side and realistic projections that show a clear picture of the negative impact over a given period of time. Otherwise, your arguement (playing devils advoacate here) boils down to not wanting Americans buzzing around in your home waters...which has nothing to do with the initial concerns of the survival of the species.
Personally, I haven't seen a depletion of Bass anywhere I have fished, over the years I have fished those areas. But as Marc mentioned in his post...are the studies showing that even with the present level of pressure, the species may not only be surviving, but are flourishing? If that's the case...then this ruling tells me that their analysis has shown them the species will continue to either maintain it's present levels, or continue to thrive at least.
Marc, I'll be out in the area of "Goodearth" today sometime hehehe!!
Tight Lines from the "Shore South"
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Sorry, Marc
Sorry marc-
"I believe when you cross into U.S waters your supposed to call in and give your boat number so they can track it.Many border waters have this method in place.Very few observe the law.
If you cross into U.S waters or vice versa,you could face immigration probs for crossing the border without a declaration of doing so."
This information is incorrect. This is from a post I made two months ago:
"If you cross into U.S. waters from Canada to fish, all you need is a New York state license. Unless you anchor, tie to a boat that is anchored, or set foot on U.S. soil, you require no further documents except for ID- NO I-68!
If you are not fishing (as in the case of being a scrutineer) you can cross back and forth as much as you want - no license required, no I-68, just ID such as driver's license and birth certificate if you happen to be stopped by U.S. officials.
If you want to confirm this for yourself, please call U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Regional Office at (315) 482-2261."
I had called and they thought I was nuts for even asking the question... Wanted to know how I came up with that "bunk".
I know for a fact the rules apply in reverse, too. Canadian Border Service staff routinely use our National Park boats to help in policing the Ontario portions of the St. Lawrence. Only if U.S. citizens have either anchored or come ashore without reporting do they run the risk of getting in trouble.
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As for the bass situation- for every study done in Canada showing that fishing during the pre-spawn and spawn periods harms the fishery, there have been 10 done stateside showing otherwise. The term recruitment refers to the # of fry that actually survive to maturity and controlled studies in the states show that regardless of whether there is a closed season the number of fish reaching legal size remains the same. How are we to know which stance is correct?
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Now, cormorants, on the other hand, eat more bass (in areas they are plentiful) in one year than recreational anglers harvest in a lifetime...
CCB- trying to sidetrack things again
"I believe when you cross into U.S waters your supposed to call in and give your boat number so they can track it.Many border waters have this method in place.Very few observe the law.
If you cross into U.S waters or vice versa,you could face immigration probs for crossing the border without a declaration of doing so."
This information is incorrect. This is from a post I made two months ago:
"If you cross into U.S. waters from Canada to fish, all you need is a New York state license. Unless you anchor, tie to a boat that is anchored, or set foot on U.S. soil, you require no further documents except for ID- NO I-68!
If you are not fishing (as in the case of being a scrutineer) you can cross back and forth as much as you want - no license required, no I-68, just ID such as driver's license and birth certificate if you happen to be stopped by U.S. officials.
If you want to confirm this for yourself, please call U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Regional Office at (315) 482-2261."
I had called and they thought I was nuts for even asking the question... Wanted to know how I came up with that "bunk".
I know for a fact the rules apply in reverse, too. Canadian Border Service staff routinely use our National Park boats to help in policing the Ontario portions of the St. Lawrence. Only if U.S. citizens have either anchored or come ashore without reporting do they run the risk of getting in trouble.
____________________________________________________________
As for the bass situation- for every study done in Canada showing that fishing during the pre-spawn and spawn periods harms the fishery, there have been 10 done stateside showing otherwise. The term recruitment refers to the # of fry that actually survive to maturity and controlled studies in the states show that regardless of whether there is a closed season the number of fish reaching legal size remains the same. How are we to know which stance is correct?
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Now, cormorants, on the other hand, eat more bass (in areas they are plentiful) in one year than recreational anglers harvest in a lifetime...
CCB- trying to sidetrack things again
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Wow what an interesting thread! CCB, you are coorect on needing a US State license and an I-68. Last year in the Renegade Tournament on the St. LAwrence river, my partner and I bought New York State Licenses so we could fish both sides of the river and thought we were all set. During the tournament while fishing on the US side, we were pulled over by a US State Trooper boot which had a State Trooper, Immigration Officer and the equivalent to our MNR Officers. We produced our licenses no problem. Then when showing all of our safety equipment we discovered there were a few differences in the regulation around flares and anchors. We were told if the Coast Guard had pulled us over we would have gotten a $250 US fine but they let us off. Then the Immigration Officer asked us for our I-68, well we had done our homework or so we thought! We informed him that it was our understanding that you only needed an I-68 if you were going to set foor on US soil and that we were not going to do that. We were then informed that you also need an I-68 if you are going to conduct business n the US and that fishing is considerd conducting business. Again the guy was nice so we filled out some temporary forms and were sent on our way. The whole experience lasted about an hour which was enough of a hassle for us not to fish the US side in this years tournament. It seems to me that it is more difficult for a Canadian to fish in US waters than vice versa!
As for the original topic in this thread, I am torn! If it is fishing during the pre-spawn than I don't believe that there is any harm done that isn't done once the season starts. The damage is done when pulling them off their nest in the post-spawn while guarding eggs/fry. I do think that opening it up will put a lot of extra presure on the fishery which is probably not a good thing! For those that fish that area it will be interesting to hear in a few years if there is any negative effect.
As for the original topic in this thread, I am torn! If it is fishing during the pre-spawn than I don't believe that there is any harm done that isn't done once the season starts. The damage is done when pulling them off their nest in the post-spawn while guarding eggs/fry. I do think that opening it up will put a lot of extra presure on the fishery which is probably not a good thing! For those that fish that area it will be interesting to hear in a few years if there is any negative effect.
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No probs,CCB,was not sure if it applied to the Big Flo.
My take is what you posted is correct
In other border waters you must call in,remember having a discussion with Doug Johnson (LOTW)this past september and he mentioned it was a pain and no verification was ever made but if they had not called in,they might compromise immigration and border laws if they ever got checked.Keep in mind they were coming from Minnesota waters into Ontario water.So they would pull into an island and call in,a specific phone for immigrations.I know some of these phones exist up and down the big flo also.
Never really fish state side waters during my ventures out,always have been vigilant about borders on waters.Essentially my take is your in another country so best be wise and do it right I suppose.
I can see where this could lead to a National security issue,although your supposed to call in if you anchor or land on firm ground.If the intent is to break the law,well your not gonna call in anyways but makes for easy routing with no verification of who is crossing from one border to the next and vice versa.Seems a little of a flaw in border security
Guess I am side tracking this one also
Mikey,I have always believed if you have a concern,you look into it,when you find some answers you can address your concerns or take what you learned and move on.We all make opinions on our personal beliefs but sometimes in the interest of all,best we look at some concrete or somewhat good info before placing proper opinion without correct info to our worries.
Looks like we are covering it all....... In one thread
My take is what you posted is correct
In other border waters you must call in,remember having a discussion with Doug Johnson (LOTW)this past september and he mentioned it was a pain and no verification was ever made but if they had not called in,they might compromise immigration and border laws if they ever got checked.Keep in mind they were coming from Minnesota waters into Ontario water.So they would pull into an island and call in,a specific phone for immigrations.I know some of these phones exist up and down the big flo also.
Never really fish state side waters during my ventures out,always have been vigilant about borders on waters.Essentially my take is your in another country so best be wise and do it right I suppose.
I can see where this could lead to a National security issue,although your supposed to call in if you anchor or land on firm ground.If the intent is to break the law,well your not gonna call in anyways but makes for easy routing with no verification of who is crossing from one border to the next and vice versa.Seems a little of a flaw in border security
Guess I am side tracking this one also
Mikey,I have always believed if you have a concern,you look into it,when you find some answers you can address your concerns or take what you learned and move on.We all make opinions on our personal beliefs but sometimes in the interest of all,best we look at some concrete or somewhat good info before placing proper opinion without correct info to our worries.
Looks like we are covering it all....... In one thread
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After reading all this I figure I might as well get everyone wound up 
. I personally don't have a problem with having a catch and release season for Bass. As a matter of fact I am going to Lake Erie next spring to fish smallies on the New York side. I look forward to this trip and the way I look at it at least the fish I'm going to catch will be released to live another day(unlike the native fisherman who also "FISH" during the spawn). I also wonder about how much of an effect that early season has on populations because as far as I know back say 50 years ago I have seen all kinds of pictures and stories about people catching hundreds of fish a day at any time of the year (walleye, bass, trout,etc.) and most of these places where this was happening still have fish populations. The biggest problem I see concerning our fisheries is the lack of government enforcement. I spend between 60 and 80 days a year on the water in Ontario and in the last 7 years I never been stopped or even seen a MNR C.O. I have been stopped many a times by Quebec C.O's on the Ottawa River and if you look at there resources they seem to be doing an good job. It's the government that is going to ruin our fisheries not a catch and release season. Just my 2 cents worth. 
. I personally don't have a problem with having a catch and release season for Bass. As a matter of fact I am going to Lake Erie next spring to fish smallies on the New York side. I look forward to this trip and the way I look at it at least the fish I'm going to catch will be released to live another day(unlike the native fisherman who also "FISH" during the spawn). I also wonder about how much of an effect that early season has on populations because as far as I know back say 50 years ago I have seen all kinds of pictures and stories about people catching hundreds of fish a day at any time of the year (walleye, bass, trout,etc.) and most of these places where this was happening still have fish populations. The biggest problem I see concerning our fisheries is the lack of government enforcement. I spend between 60 and 80 days a year on the water in Ontario and in the last 7 years I never been stopped or even seen a MNR C.O. I have been stopped many a times by Quebec C.O's on the Ottawa River and if you look at there resources they seem to be doing an good job. It's the government that is going to ruin our fisheries not a catch and release season. Just my 2 cents worth. Bass US &Can
Wow these past two Bass seasons I have fished several US tournaments both as a boater and non-boater all the info I got was that no matter where or what series I fished I required a state licence [non-resident in most states NY state you buy a foreigners licence] If you fish the Potomic and go under the Woodrow Wilson Bridge you need a DC licence Yes some of their rules as far as saftey items in the boat are slightly different, got stopped on Chattaqua with no flares they gave me a warning [US Coastguard] Every tournament organizer asks for proof of liability ins. Lucky me I found out a few days ago that my insurance company did not cover me outside of Ont.
I drove across the border each and everytime, produced my passport, gave them my raison d'etre and went on my merry way. I must admit I have had to wait in line sometimes for up to 3+ hours. This past summer I crossed virtually20 to 25 times. With absolutely no problem and I wasn't the only Canadian doing this.
Now you guys have me worried and I will check to see if in fact I broke the rules and laws.
As for the Bass my question is does our MNR have a similar Bass stocking program to that of their American counterparts or do they have one at all?
There are some interesting changes coming to NY state Bass fishing regs lets hope there in the best interest for the Bass and not the Tournament guy's
Tony G.
I drove across the border each and everytime, produced my passport, gave them my raison d'etre and went on my merry way. I must admit I have had to wait in line sometimes for up to 3+ hours. This past summer I crossed virtually20 to 25 times. With absolutely no problem and I wasn't the only Canadian doing this.
Now you guys have me worried and I will check to see if in fact I broke the rules and laws.
As for the Bass my question is does our MNR have a similar Bass stocking program to that of their American counterparts or do they have one at all?
There are some interesting changes coming to NY state Bass fishing regs lets hope there in the best interest for the Bass and not the Tournament guy's
Tony G.
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WoW did this thread ever go around the mountain and back! But I do have to admit it was a great go at an informative format. I think what it accomplished was the showing of both side with their personal views and passions. I think it also shows no matter really what side of the debate your on we do care about our future of our fisheries. I also strongly think that there are greater issues and concerns of sportsmen within Ontario towards MNR, Fishery Depts and other Gov't Agencies, other than the talks of what Yanks or local anglers do or don't do.
I personally have no problem with early catch and release for bass, since I have as well caught them vertical jigging for walleye in the Detroit River in the Spring and know that I am not the only one out there doing it and since it is illegal here in Ontario, then that means I make a choice whether I go over to NY-Oh-Pa and now Mi, to partake in the legal early fishing. The operative word I reckon is choice which each of us have. Its a done deal no matter what we think or how strong our convictions are this STATE DNR decision for their regulation change we don't have to like it, and we don't have to support it. I have witnessed myself both Yanks & Canucks bending/breaking the laws on the water and I have seen both Yanks & Canucks getting ticketed for those activities. If someone is going to break the law well its going to happen and as solid citizens and sportsmen, then we need to take action and start using the report a lawbreaker program and help the MNR as much as possible, since they are so under staffed.
As for the different subjects brought up, like musky fishing, commercial fishing, first nation fishing, immigration, etc etc, these are each a different title and subject for another thread. I look forward to reading those!
SNAGMAN
I personally have no problem with early catch and release for bass, since I have as well caught them vertical jigging for walleye in the Detroit River in the Spring and know that I am not the only one out there doing it and since it is illegal here in Ontario, then that means I make a choice whether I go over to NY-Oh-Pa and now Mi, to partake in the legal early fishing. The operative word I reckon is choice which each of us have. Its a done deal no matter what we think or how strong our convictions are this STATE DNR decision for their regulation change we don't have to like it, and we don't have to support it. I have witnessed myself both Yanks & Canucks bending/breaking the laws on the water and I have seen both Yanks & Canucks getting ticketed for those activities. If someone is going to break the law well its going to happen and as solid citizens and sportsmen, then we need to take action and start using the report a lawbreaker program and help the MNR as much as possible, since they are so under staffed.
As for the different subjects brought up, like musky fishing, commercial fishing, first nation fishing, immigration, etc etc, these are each a different title and subject for another thread. I look forward to reading those!
SNAGMAN
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i think people fish for bass Out of Season to give them some false confidence in their skills.
i feel anglers who are unable to successfully target bass during the open season are the ones who want to be able to target them during the spawn.
i'm going out on a limb here, and this doesn't reflect him one bit, but i bet Justin Hoffman wouldn't go fishing for bass during the spawn....
he doesn't need to .... If i want to catch a trophy, i'll do it in a sportsmanlike manner....not when the fish is going to hit anything around it....found in an area that they come back to each and every year....
how is that hard to do? does one feel better about their catch when its caught during spawn?
oh well....i'm sure it'll be passed, and i'm sure the majority will win...and you'll be able to fish for bass during spawn....
but the ones doing it ....
i feel anglers who are unable to successfully target bass during the open season are the ones who want to be able to target them during the spawn.
i'm going out on a limb here, and this doesn't reflect him one bit, but i bet Justin Hoffman wouldn't go fishing for bass during the spawn....
he doesn't need to .... If i want to catch a trophy, i'll do it in a sportsmanlike manner....not when the fish is going to hit anything around it....found in an area that they come back to each and every year....
how is that hard to do? does one feel better about their catch when its caught during spawn?
oh well....i'm sure it'll be passed, and i'm sure the majority will win...and you'll be able to fish for bass during spawn....
but the ones doing it ....
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Spawn???
Here in PA you can harvast during the Pre-Spawn, and C&R during the Spawn. As I mention before, bass adopt to pressures on them during the spawn and will spawn in deeper more protected areas.
I guess the new laws are based on the many studies that find the percentage of fry that survive to maturity are same, whether or not there is an open or closed C&R season around the spawn.
G
I guess the new laws are based on the many studies that find the percentage of fry that survive to maturity are same, whether or not there is an open or closed C&R season around the spawn.
G
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Grump
Grump:
Here in Ontario it is constantly pounded into our heads that fishing pre-spawn or during the spawn will destroy our bass fisheries.
I've read studies done in several states, however, that contradict this; controlled studies, carried out over several years, that show no differences in the number of fish that reach maturity in bodies of water that have year-long open seasons, and waters that are either completely closed to angling or have catch-and-release seasons both pre-spawn and during the spawn.
I've got a feeling the budgets of the DEC's of several states easily surpass that of our MNR, so possibly for every study done here, ten (likely more) might be carried out in the U.S.
We need something similar to Wallop-Breaux in Canada!
For Ontarians to assume that OUR studies are right and all the states' studies are wrong might be a little arrogant, I think.
This is a topic I'll be digging into over the winter. For now, I'm on the fence.
CCB
Here in Ontario it is constantly pounded into our heads that fishing pre-spawn or during the spawn will destroy our bass fisheries.
I've read studies done in several states, however, that contradict this; controlled studies, carried out over several years, that show no differences in the number of fish that reach maturity in bodies of water that have year-long open seasons, and waters that are either completely closed to angling or have catch-and-release seasons both pre-spawn and during the spawn.
I've got a feeling the budgets of the DEC's of several states easily surpass that of our MNR, so possibly for every study done here, ten (likely more) might be carried out in the U.S.
We need something similar to Wallop-Breaux in Canada!
For Ontarians to assume that OUR studies are right and all the states' studies are wrong might be a little arrogant, I think.
This is a topic I'll be digging into over the winter. For now, I'm on the fence.
CCB
CCB:
I think those that are going to fish during pre-post-spawn bass OOS, are going to do it regardless of any law, probably C&R, but going to do it none the less.
If they open the season early just for C&R, I still won't do it. Not being arrogant regards other studies, just have seen nests get cleaned out in a few minutes, and don't believe any angling for bass during this period is justified.
Guess it's up to the individual to make up his/her own mind.
If the Ont. Gov. sees megabucks by changing the law, it shall be done.
Just my .o2 also.
Jigs.
I think those that are going to fish during pre-post-spawn bass OOS, are going to do it regardless of any law, probably C&R, but going to do it none the less.
If they open the season early just for C&R, I still won't do it. Not being arrogant regards other studies, just have seen nests get cleaned out in a few minutes, and don't believe any angling for bass during this period is justified.
Guess it's up to the individual to make up his/her own mind.
If the Ont. Gov. sees megabucks by changing the law, it shall be done.
Just my .o2 also.
Jigs.