Think I did it now....Couple of odds & ends.....

Post by **turkeyman** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:18 pm

skooter
name the time and the place and i will be there as far as putting the rivets in and sealing them that only takes seconds but you do have to get at the inside to apply the weight it your call
ps hoss that face licking was deserved and thanx for being a sport next time be carefull what you wish for

turkeyman

Post by **skooter** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:36 am

turkeyman wrote:skooter
name the time and the place and i will be there as far as putting the rivets in and sealing them that only takes seconds but you do have to get at the inside to apply the weight it your call
ps hoss that face licking was deserved and thanx for being a sport next time be carefull what you wish for

turkeyman

Thanks a bunch, ....turkeyman, ....

Soon as I decide if I'm comin' or goin', ....and when,

We'll set somethin up, so I can have her all ready for ya....

Thanks again, ......

skooter

Post by **skooter** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:48 pm

I'm really hoping to get back to doing a bit more work on my puppy this weekend....

I've got the new bilge pump to put in, ....the floor can always use another coat of varnish, ......and I've kind of been waiting for these, .....

They just came in the mail......

Allen C had mentioned that these rivets that can be installed from the outside, with no access to the inside necessary, ...and he'd send me some....

I admit that I couldn't figure how they would work, ....just from my past experience with pop rivets, ....there's always a hole in the middle...right?

So now I've got them, ....and I'm kind of excited....

They're completely enclosed......

This might show it better....

I took a couple to work to try out, ....and see how they would seal....
I just grabbed a couple of pieces of scrap close to the hull thickness, ....I think

Anyways, ....here's the result, ......I think these will work just fine, ....I'll put some sealant in the hole before I "pop" them in, .....

Hopefully I'll have another update at some point this weekend, .....I'll just have to play hide & seek for awhile.......

skooter

Post by **Wall-I-Guy** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:37 pm

So is that big clump on the inside

Can you make it smaller, by squeezing more or what

They just seem big

Post by **allan.c** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:30 pm

hi everyone, the rivets to best explain them are aluminum,the head is made like a standard pop rivet but with a few modifications.the modifications being a cap that encloses the rivet and the rim of the cap is made slightly concave. when the rivet is compressed the rim and cap are pulled tightly against the metal resulting in a waterproof seal. I used them on a previous boat i had with eight of these rivets i installed below the waterline with no leakage problems SCOOTER

before i forget the maximun metal thickness for those rivets is 1/8".when i looked at your boat the holes i seen where along the centerline on the outside of the rib it looks like their is only one thickness of metal.I dout if it is any thicker than 90 thou, it should not be a problem.but if you need longer ones use those in the meantime and i will get some longer ones. allan.c

Post by **skooter** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:24 am

Wall-I-Guy wrote:So is that big clump on the inside

Can you make it smaller, by squeezing more or what

They just seem big

Hey Wig, .....

Yeah thats the inside, ....the outside is the usual cone shape of most rivets...

It's not that big of a mound, .....maybe 1/8 of an inch high, ....I might be a little concerned if they were "exposed", ....with the possibility of crushing it and breaking the seal, .....but where they are goin, ....it'll be fine.....

allan.c wrote:
SCOOTER before i forget the maximun metal thickness for those rivets is 1/8".when i looked at your boat the holes i seen where along the centerline on the outside of the rib it looks like their is only one thickness of metal.I dout if it is any thicker than 90 thou, it should not be a problem.but if you need longer ones use those in the meantime and i will get some longer ones. allan.c

Allen, ....those rivets go through the outer hull, and then through the cross ribs inside, .....I know the cross ribs are pretty thick, ...I never took a vernier to 'em, ....so I'm not sure how thick, ....but I think it'll be alright...

If I put the new bilge in this weekend, ....I'll measure one of the back ones, just to see how thick they really are....

If I think the rivets are too short, .....I'll let ya know.....

Thanks again, ...bud

skooter

Post by **Rideaufish** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:43 pm

Have to get this moved to the boat forum. Those rivets look like the ticket but how will you ever find the lost calipers if you dont pull up the floor.

Post by **Rideaufish** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:43 pm

Have to get this moved to the boat forum. Those rivets look like the ticket but how will you ever find the lost calipers if you dont pull up the floor.

Post by **skooter** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am

Rideaufish wrote:Have to get this moved to the boat forum. Those rivets look like the ticket but how will you ever find the lost calipers if you dont pull up the floor.

Hey Rideaufish.....

You've got me a little confused here, ....(i know it's not hard)

That long shaft, .....goes into the rivet gun, .....and the rivet goes into the hole till its flush with the head there, .....

Then you just pump the gun, ....it pulls that centre pin out, ...while collapsing the shaft on the other side of the hole, ......so there's nothing inside the boat, ...but the compressed rivet shaft, .....

Okay, ....so are we both confused now.....

I'll try and get some pics while I'm doin' it, .....hopefully that will clarify things....

Post by **Rideaufish** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:57 pm

scooter that was my lame attempt at hummor seeing as the floor was ripped up thought you might have left some tools under it.

Post by **skooter** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:47 am

Rideaufish wrote:scooter that was my lame attempt at hummor seeing as the floor was ripped up thought you might have left some tools under it.

....I wondered, .....but I didn't see no laughing smilies, .....

No problem, ....

....and the best part, .......I'm not confused anymore.....

, ......I don't think,

skooter

Post by **skooter** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:33 pm

Wasn't expecting to do an update this early,

......BUT, ......I just had to know whether those rivets would work or not, ......

It is "THE DAY TO REMEMBER", ....so after stoppin' in to see "Dad" for a bit after work...,
( ....I just dread the day, ...when there's no "vet's" left, ... to remind everyone of the hell they went through for us....,

)
"THANKS"!!!!, ... to all of Ya,......

....I was off to pick up some supplies, .....and a few extras,

.....sort of

Finally got home around 3:00, ....got changed, .....and "pitter patter", ...let's get at 'er, ......

As I mentioned earlier, ....I only lost three of the original patches, ...
Job 1, .....sand the crap away from around the holes, ....

I also sanded the ones that hadn't broken off, ......they were hard as a rock...

I'm a firm believer in, ..."if it ain't broke, ....Don't fix it", ....
So I left them alone, .....just rounded off the rough edges....

These are the tools of choice......

See that tube, ....this stuff is awsome, .....used it before, ...on my transom, ....forget the 3m marine stuff, .....go with this, ......for aluminum anyways....

I'll just do a work in progress here....

sanded and ready to drill, ....that stuff I put in there, ....when it sticks, ...it's as strong as the base aluminum....

holes drilled out now, ....rivets called for an # "11" drill,
Yeah, ....under perfect conditions, ...great,(ie. drill press), ....I used a #12, ....one smaller, ...with a hand drill , ....it was perfect....

one done, ....and one ready to set....

Without rippin' the floor up, .....I think they did the job...

All done, ....not like dinner though, ....dinner's not ready yet...

Next job, ....get the old bilge out...

Might just be plugged up with "poopie" like Mark's, ....will check that out later.....

Another job done, .....Nope, ......dinner's still not ready yet....

Ya know, ....fishing is just like any other sport, .....you really need to keep your "balls" from rollin' around...

I decided to take care of that, ...even though my tummmy was startin' to rumble.....,

.....priorities, ...right?

Simple matter of drilling a couple of holes, ......

No. 1....

No. 2

Ah, ....."much better", ...the back storage compartment is now, ......."organized"....,

.

Unfortunately, .....with the hole size, .....it looks like the "balls", are the last thing "in", ......and the first thing "out",
.....oh well, ...that's "life"...

(gonna hafta watch that hook though, ...

)

It's time to call it quits, .....outside anyways, .....

Brought my covers in, ....got some more work to do on them....

Last pic's tonite.....

Picked these puppy's up while I was doin' my rounds....

Much more "civilized" than just holes....

And, ....this was the main reason for my "rounds"

Yeah, ....the box, .....it looks like the other one, .....but it "is" a lot "different", ....and better,
But I really won't know for sure, ....till I try it out...

Hopefully the new "finder", ...bilge pump, .....and maybe the handles will go on tomorrow.......

I'll let ya know,

.....I think it's finally "dinner" time....

skooter

Post by **M.T. Livewell** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:54 am

Glad this made its way over to the boat forum.

And skooter, remember when you mount that transducer, if you're having a little touble with the bracket, please do NOT rip open your transom to see what's inside.

The boat has never been treated so well. I'm sure in kind it will give many many excellent fishing days.
Now, let's see that fishfinder!

M.T. Livewell

Post by **crash** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:55 pm

Just think Skooter with the new set ups and repairs you be running fine on the soft errrrr after the hard water is gone

Post by **skooter** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:00 pm

"Lost" weekend for sure, .....well not lost totally, ....almost totally,

....Actually, ...I never got "lost" at all,

......just wish I could have......

Remember the "hide & seek", ......well I got "seeked", ....before I had a chance to "hide".......,

I, ...ah, ....did manage to accomplish one important task though.....

Got my buddy over and we did the bottom end, ....

Draining the old stuff......

no water in there, ....so the seals are good.....

Starting to fill 'er up......

This oil was recommended by my "marina" guru, .....the usual colour of the EP90 oil is a dark green,
.....this stuff is more like the Type "C" oil I had to use in my old electric shift 40 HP evinrude....,

It's a lot lighter, ...in colour anyways....

We'll see how it holds up.....

Full now and ready to cap....., (you can see the new stuff dripping down the side)

Put some gas line antifreeze in my tanks, So, .....She should be ready for the bar now, .....

I've heard from a few people that it's best to leave the motor down in the winter, .....probably to be sure that "all" the water drains from the water pump, .....makes sense to me, .....just have to remember to tip it back up before I go anywhere....

(you can see how close to the ground she sits)

I may just wait till spring to put the fish finder in, ......I may not have a choice,

(this one still works great anyways)

....The priorities now,

1).....get the bilge pump back in,

2)....get a roof over her,

3).....fulfill my other endless obligations, ......

Oh, ....checked my rivets today, ....."lookin' good,"

....guess we'll see after "Christmas", .....shortly after "Christmas"

If I make any headway this week, ....I'll let ya all know....

skooter