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jale6666 wrote:My 16.5ft. crestliner came with a 70 hp Evinrude. It has power tilt but no trim. I would definitely like to add trim to this setup to help my performance.

This fall it was running right on 30MPH with two people, full tank of fuel and gear. According to the rpm guage it was hanging right around 5000rpm at full throttle I didn't think this speed was too bad but felt it could be better.


My options are add a trim unit and prop change. Question is, do I just have to add the proper unit to the outboard to do this :?: :?: :?:

Here is a pic of the setup currently

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Would I be better to just do a prop change and wait to see what difference this makes? Current prop is an aluminium 13 1/4 x 17

Anyone have a similar engine and can tell me what speed/rpm they are getting?

thanks

Joe
Joe,
your trim and tilt unit is working properly, you are simply not getting enough trim travel to do what you want. When it's reached it travel limit (approx. 15 degrees) it stops, and the tilt unit is reached. This will not continue to raise the motor for obvious reasons, as Skooter stated. In order to gain trim, you need to offset the engine to the transom. This can be done using a wedge system. A wedge is essentially a block of metal one inch to 2 inches (depending on how much you want to gain) thick at the bottom thinning out to approx 1/8th of an inch at the top. Bolted between the engine and transom, this will offset the egine trim travel As I'm showing in the photo below. After you've done this, you will notice an iincrease in your engine rpm's and bow lift at WOT. I would look for a prop that gets you as close to the 5500 rpm limit of your engine. Thats your optimal power band. You may want to consider going down one pitch and adding a bit more cup to the prop, any local prop repair shop can handle that task, this will give you 150-200 more rpm's and a more efficient hole shot. Hope this helps.

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Lots of great info guys....thanks

Gonna be fishing quinte on thursday so I will start by placing the pin closest to the transom. Will see if I have any tilt at all at WOT. If it is working properly there should be a little movement at least...right?????

I guess I'll go from there and keep ya posted

thanks again

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jale6666 wrote:Lots of great info guys....thanks

I will start by placing the pin closest to the transom. Will see if I have any tilt at all at WOT. If it is working properly there should be a little movement at least...right?????
I guess I'll go from there and keep ya posted
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Thats. right Joe, you should see movement....until the tilt point. If you want more, the transom wedge is the option. Let us know how it goes...and remember...."Drive it like you stole it" ;-)
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If your boat is plowing now...by letting that pin down.. your boat may plow more at speed.. thats something you will have to experiment with.
My 115hp evinrude...1977 model on my old 19" Starcraft tin boat... was like yours... It was factory tilt only. The motor would push its hydraulics back to the transom at throttle. Pain in the butt. Ended up... "trimming" by moving the weight in the boat forward or aft when I was on the lake... generally found the she performed best in the lowest position.. Giving the best ride, while still planing.

If yours is plowing.. move some weight aft... or if your fuel tank is aft ... fill it up..etc.. Alot of times that is all it will take.

Prop: This summer I destroyed my Merc prop and changed it for another manufacturer. Lost 4 MPH on it at full throttle... now it over reves by 200rpm. :? Same pitch ..Same everything! :shock: Closer examination of the props.. found the new one had narrower blades! Therefore pushing less water causing the over rev... not good! But, on the other hand... I dropped a full MPH on my trolling speed! In my case.. a good trade off.

So watch what you buy... your prop should allow your motor to easily get it up to max. factory specified rpm (which would be in the manual or dealer liturature)... and not loose other performance features.

Just my observations..
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Hehehe..you trollin guys....the only guys I know who can appreciate "losing speed" hehehe!! You're right though Jim, the rake on the new prop was probably different, which caused the performance change. I would suggest a 4 blade prop, and a 1 inch wedge to give her a better attitude. But if you're getting the trolling speed you want....then that's perfect for your fishing style. Great stuff. Thx for sharing your experience.

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Took the boat out on Quinte..at WOT there was no response from the engine when I activated the switch. I am now convinced that there is no trim on this engine just tilt only..What is my next step...find a replacement tilt/trim unit?

thanks

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Joe

I don't have much experience with power trim systems and I maybe stating the obvious but did you check the fluid level.

I may be wrong but if the level is low it could be contributing to your problems.

Just a suggestion

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jale6666 wrote:Took the boat out on Quinte..at WOT there was no response from the engine when I activated the switch. I am now convinced that there is no trim on this engine just tilt only..What is my next step...find a replacement tilt/trim unit?

thanks

Joe
Pretty pricey for aftermarket... You need to talk to a dealer to find out if your motor ever came with trim option. Judgin by the manual that skooter posted.. doesnt sound like it. Dealer with a parts book is probabley your first step... Get the serial number off your motor before calling them. You'll need it..
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Looked up pricing on trim tabs... your into about $700 for a decent set... might check with local retailer for alternative..
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Gonna see if I can find a used tilt/trim unit. My engine has the little slots for the trim pistons to fit into so there must be a unit the will fit somewhere. Just gotta find one at a decent price

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