Musky Slaughter in Maine

Post by **slushpuppy** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:01 am

"To date, there has been no implementation of regulations on the muskellunge anywhere in the province and there have been catch and kill tournaments in the upper reaches of the Saint John River, limited to this method by governement regulations." MuskiesNB site

"There is no size or bag limit on muskies. The Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife recommends that anglers catch and kill all muskies, no matter what size." from an fisheries biologist with the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries.

Instead of spamming and flaming the uneducated and unwashed masses, send your comments to the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries.

Post by **scttsmpsn** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:57 am

Slushpuppy,

That's interesting to see published by the DNR.

If they could net them all and move them; that woulb be a good thing. They could still allow those left behind to be caught but most importantly the bulk of the population would be kept.

Depletion of the salmon numbers would be lost revenues and jobs to fishing and unfortunelty for the muskie men will take presedence. There is politics involved with this I am sure.

Scott

Post by **muskymatt** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:52 pm

the simple fact that the U.S. is activly persuing Canadian Muskie to re -stock lake and rivers in the U.S to replace the ones that have been depleated by over fishing and mismanagement is unbelievable

.This is so hypocritical , it's unbelievable that in maine they are doing this

. I hope this is a factor in the decision of wheather we co-operate with them or not.

Could they not have had any alternative to the cull, I'm not a biologist but couldn't one hand have washed the other????

Post by **steve-hamilton** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:05 pm

i really like the level of rational thought being expressed in this thread...

Good Job 'Hawkers

Post by **Trophymuskie** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:40 pm

The thing is there is no way that they ever will get rid of muskies in the St-John river, they have been there for over 20 years and are well established.

The muskies are not eating all the salmon that's for sure. Our new Chapter of Muskies Canada in NB will get things moving in the right directions with changes in the regulations an such. Right now there is a limit of 10 muskies over 10 cm per day. They basicly copied the regulations of the piqueral (sp).

Now as for Main well I believe they have muskies moving out of the St-John river and navigating inland through creeks and rivers. They may actually have a cause for wanting to get rid of the muskies. But the problem with their kill tourney the guys are fishing the St-John River in Canada to catch the bigger fish and brigning them back to Main for the weight in.

NB has a great muskie fishery and it can only get better with people actually looking after that fishery.

Post by **joco** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:31 pm

HI all

on my previous post in this tread is said .........i have a cooworker inlwas that did catch a monster musky and kept it.......that is right,,,,,,,but they kept it ligaly.musky is open the 31 off march in that area.......so it was open..........mabe not the greates thing to do(kept it)....

.....i try to educate them.........but they seems to go for the fish on the wall,,,,

type off thing.......insted off a replica.....

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that fish was 53 inch long........and a guirth i realy hardly saw before..huge.....

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i wont say the name off the small lake,,,,,,,,,,,not even by pm........to many people fishing there already.to mutch pressure.......at night the boat lunch there a waiting line to get there boat in the lake,,

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one day there will say,,,we should have regulate the fisheries here....now its to late there all gone.......

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for the maine fisheries.........if musky is the probleme.i wish they could catch them and bring them somwhere helse where there a great value(fisheries )..big female are good to populate other place where they have a hard time...........but i dont think nething would be good,,,could kill other kind off fish or even musky......but i am sher there better way to have this regulate the musky population better then killing all off them.....

........how could people get some off them and just transfer them where they would be appreciated.........right here would be nice...

...if there not sick or have some anomalys...

.

joco...

Post by **slushpuppy** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:03 pm

Trophymuskie wrote:But the problem with their kill tourney the guys are fishing the St-John River in Canada to catch the bigger fish and brigning them back to Main for the weight in.

Fort Kent is on the Saint John River. The river forms the border between Maine and New Brunswick from Grand Falls up to Glazier Lake. So, that would be like catching the bigger fish "in Quebec" while on the Ottawa River and bringing them back to Ontario for measurements.

Post by **trexellunge** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:35 pm

I'm sure a few of you might have missed an earlier reaction on this thread from a member of the muskyhunter board. It's important info, so here it is again. I feel he is rationally reacting to the front page of the Maine Musky Derby website, which HYPOCRITICALLY proclaims:
1. " Muskie Fishing is considered one of the greatest fresh water sport fish challenges in all of North America." - (seems like Maine is trying to promote its musky fishery, but has neglected to teach "how preserve or conserve it.")
2. "This beautiful natural environment has proven to be an unlimited resource for this sport-fishing event, with many other species coexisting within the same habitat." -
(It seems like they believe musky and trout can co-exist.)
3. "We want to create an event of international recognition, attracting people from everywhere, introducing them to our hospitality and to the "fabulous freshwater sport" of Muskie Fishing." - (By saying "fabulous sport" of musky fishing, sounds like they are in favor of musky in their waters, and I think they are creating international recognition, but in a very negative way.)
.....sorry for rehashing this info, but those who are indifferent or in favor of the musky kill in Maine have not really responded to it. How Maine portrays its musky resource needs to be clarified. The state does not make it sound like a horrible mistake at all, but actually seems to embrace and promote the idea of musky fishing. Hopefully, they just don't know enough yet. (Maybe even its Division of Fish and Game.)
Anyway, all the posts on this thread are appreciated...thanks

. We got some e-mails out to Maine from two very popular fishing boards; now we'll just have to see what happens. I understand that we are all somewhat divided on this issue, and further logical points will probably not change minds already decided, no matter how these statements are supported or how valid they are. You can say something is blue, and back it up with written verification, but if somebody else just sees green, it doesn't really matter what you say. Just look at politics.......

Post by **trapperdirk** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:42 pm

Just put that muskie steak right beside my potatoes . It's not for anyone here to become involved in what Maine looks at as a legal legitimate practice in managing their resources just as it wasn't the right of southern Ontario to dictate and support laws cancelling our Spring Bear hunt up here and now the wolf nonsense . Leave it to those in the know for their own areas . A muskie is just a muskie and not some godly creature headed for extinction .

TD

Post by **muskymatt** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:50 pm

td

Ihave an idea , why don't we kill everything we see without thinking of whats next(buffalo) , then we can knock our women over the head with a club and drag them back to the cave .

Seriously though , don't you think there should be some kind of control.

by people who have spent thier lives studying these things??

Post by **Trophymuskie** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:10 pm

slushpuppy wrote:
Trophymuskie wrote:But the problem with their kill tourney the guys are fishing the St-John River in Canada to catch the bigger fish and brigning them back to Main for the weight in.
Fort Kent is on the Saint John River. The river forms the border between Maine and New Brunswick from Grand Falls up to Glazier Lake. So, that would be like catching the bigger fish "in Quebec" while on the Ottawa River and bringing them back to Ontario for measurements.

Actually no as they are allowed to fish all the way to the damn above Fredericton, many miles into Canada. Maine borders only a very small part of the river.

Post by **trapperdirk** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:18 pm

muskymatt wrote:td

Ihave an idea , why don't we kill everything we see without thinking of whats next(buffalo) , then we can knock our women over the head with a club and drag them back to the cave .

Seriously though , don't you think there should be some kind of control.

by people who have spent thier lives studying these things??

What business is it of ours to demand things of the Maine DNR or the local people there . ? I'm not sure if thats the question asked and as far as spending a lifetime studying things, well lad I have spent a lifetime studying nature and all its inhabitants that I can and I harvest some too . My studies are not conducted from behind a desk in an office like those that create and put into force controls that you speak of .

Whats wrong with a cave .

TD

Post by **trexellunge** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:20 pm

Hey Muskymatt, I always enjoy your posts. Just don't fret it. You can really bang your head against a brick wall for no reason in responding to every sarcastic post. You just have to "selectively harvest" what you deem as rational, and not "inhale" any of the "artificial bait" being thrown out there just to get a "rise" out of you.

Post by **muskymatt** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:26 pm

td

nothing wrong with a cave . My wife tells me all the time I belong in one .

A person of your stature has every bit of respect from a relocated country guy to the city like me.

And I'm positive that you know more than any stuffed shirt about your area.

I just think that science and study of the behavior does hold some merit

Sincerely

Muskymatt

Post by **muskymatt** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:28 pm

trexellunge
Point taken