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This is where it's all going on. One can ask for advice or general information or simply chew the fat about fishing tackle, tips, and locations.
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Mixed feelings on this

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I agree in both respects. My family and myself are not big Fish eaters so we pratice Catch and release all the time. But I forget that not everyone is the same and some people will remove as much as they can from a lake which I don't agree with.

I have seen people with stringers full of smallies (Under length IMHO) and strongly suggested to maybe release the small ones back.

Now myself I do lurk sometimes (thats just me sometimes I have nothing to Say) But I do post on occasion and like sharing photos of catches and looking ant other peoples.

After reading threw this post I will think twice before giving up a location in a community post. But I will definatly still share the pics and story.

Just my 2 cents

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Post by RJ »

It's a shame this thread wasn't placed if Fishing Talk as very few actually venture in here to read....

I think a few have taken my comments about lurkers as being a negative thing to be one...that's not at all what I am getting at....I personally read 9 different fishing forums and only reply on 2..."lurking" is no crime...and frankly....when you can get info and never give any back...it's a great deal... :lol:

My only point is that in making posts with loads of detail opens it up to a ton of people....this is undeniable.....

An ironic part of this thread......a very large percentage of those advocating doing up detailed reports.....I've never seen one from them... :wink:

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Greatest Hits, Vol. 1

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Opinion Time's Greatest Hits, Volume 1
RJ wrote:after spending hours scouring maps and working new water....does it make sense to go out and welcome everyone to it?
getnjiggywithit wrote:Now if I were lets say somewhere like petrie it wouldn't bother me to much, but when I just finished driving 2 hours to find a little soltude on a little secluded trout lake that gets ony 500 fish per year then it bothers me
Badger Bait wrote:I think we also need to consider that it is not just FH reports that cause overfishing in spots.
OTRA wrote:While long term an area would be self correcting that doesn't occur overnight.
SteveO wrote:Ideally, for every bit of knowledge that one learns about where to find fish, they would learn the same amount of knowledge about being a responsible angler. [...] We are all competing for a shared resource [...] Sharing fishing info on the web is new to all of us, and it will take work to get it right. History has shown that humans are really good at over-fishing areas until species are nearly extinct (both sport and commercial).
Markus wrote:I soon started asking myself why put the effort into spelling it all out for those that dont take the time to put any of their own leg work in or for those that simply don't respect the environment.
Swamp-Donkey wrote:As a rule, I won't tell anyone about my little "honey holes".
scott_from_the_shoreline wrote:So yeah information is powerful, and it's dangerous in the wrong hands. And so you should be careful about what you say in a public forum. Just gotta keep talking about conservation too. Greed is greed.
Mick wrote:The internet is a communication medium to the masses. If you post detailed information on who, what, where, when, and how - if you don't expect others to go there and do the same, shame on you. Simple as that. What exactly did you think was going to happen?
Excellent points all. This thread has led to discussion on a major issue - fishing pressure.

Despite the "community" feel, this is wide-open to the Internet.

This is a powerful medium - easily underestimated. IMHO, it's good practice to be careful what you post, you just never know who's out there reading this stuff.

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I agree Spoon and glad you came outta lurkdom. (I'm also thankful, in a sense, I didn't make the Vol.1 list). :lol:
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I hope someone uses the name Joe Sweatsock as their online name, that made me laugh. :lol:
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Post by almontefisher »

I put this post here as I did not think it was fishing related enough for the main talk area...I did not expect to generate this much discussion which has me thinking about all the sides of this.
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Almonte,

It's a good thread, for sure, and one that has most of us reflecting on ways we've presented info and how we might choose to share details (or not) in the future. I'm glad you started it up.

I'm also glad that it's been a pretty respectfully participated in thread to date. That's a breath of fresh air, and it allows us to read and ponder different points of view without having the emotional flare up take the spotlight.

W.

PS: it's perfectly appropriate for the Fishing Talk forum, in my opinion. But it will get more attn there and it would be interesting to see how civilized it would stay. :lol:
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Post by Eli »

I get "upset" when someone makes a report and DOESN'T mention what body of water they were on, or at least the general area.
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Post by Swamp-Donkey »

Sorry Wolfman, but I don't have alot of sympathy for you. I am in full agreement with not posting specific locations, especially if they are small secluded waterbodies. Do your own homework and legwork, buy a couple of maps, and go fish! There's a far greater sense of accomplishment when you finally discover a secluded little lake trout lake thats filled with four pound largemouths that nobody bothers to fish! When you go through that amount of work to finally find a "Quality" fishing spot, I think then you will appreciate why we are so tight lipped about them.
My "hats off" to fellow anglers that follow the "code"! :lol:
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I enjoy discovering new bodies of water and using the sonar and visual cues to find fish. I always appreciate general tips on areas to focus on but I do not particularly care if it is super specific.

Then again, I never keep any fish so I do it for the joy of being out in nature and enjoying life.

I have been to places with high pressure and caught fish and I have been in secluded lakes and had the time of my life without even a single bite.

Sharing information is great but I truly hate people who abuse nature and keep more than is legally allowed. I will always give general advice but I will not share specific areas with people I do not know.

There is one specific small lake around Ottawa that has yielded countless 3-4 pound smallies and the occasional 5-6 pounder every few hours. There is no way I would ever tell anyone about that place because there is a chance that others will keep them and potentially hurt the lake.

Am I selfish or environmentally conscious? WHO CARES! The lake is full of 3-4 pound smallies!!! June cannot come quickly enough for me :D
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I guess I might as well wade in with my two cents worth of opinion :) For me there are are two issues.

1: Q: What are my expectations of Fish-Hawk. Fish-Hawk to me is a site to learn about fishing from other members of the fraternity. I am able to improve my fishing skills and catch by learning from others who are willing to share such things as bait types, depths, prime fishing times, rod/reel selections, proper fishing protocols.......and the list goes on and on :D

2: Q: Do I need Fish-Hawk to tell me where to go fishing. The answer is obviously no. As I stated above, I view this site as a fraternity of people who like to help one another improve their fishing skills. Through being a member of this fraternity I have opportunities that lurkers do not enjoy. Namely, as a "member" of this site I get to attend functions where I can personally meet a number of members and talk fishing. I have found through this personal contact and PM responses to questions that there is often a willingness to share good fishing locations among the site members. This is a voluntary thing but it is made easier by having a site where members can meet at the many outings planned throughout the year for the membership and to develop relationships. This option is not open to the lurkers. Heck, I just bump into another person wearing a Fish-Hawk hat and I find that there is an immediate willingness to stop and talk about fishing and share stories.

So my opinion......lets carry on helping one another (and the so called lurkers) by discussing ways to improve our fishing skills, fish stocks and fishing etiquette. In regards to sharing specific fishing location information that should be left up to the discretion of the member to dislcose (or not) according to what they feel is appropriate 8)

Great thread though with some excellent points of view expressed :!:
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Swamp-Donkey wrote:Sorry Wolfman, but I don't have alot of sympathy for you. I am in full agreement with not posting specific locations, especially if they are small secluded waterbodies. Do your own homework and legwork, buy a couple of maps, and go fish! There's a far greater sense of accomplishment when you finally discover a secluded little lake trout lake thats filled with four pound largemouths that nobody bothers to fish! When you go through that amount of work to finally find a "Quality" fishing spot, I think then you will appreciate why we are so tight lipped about them.
My "hats off" to fellow anglers that follow the "code"! :lol:
Fair enough, but I feel I should explain myself.
First of all, believe me I do my homework. I've put many clicks on my car, following backroad maps in search of new water. Some have paid off, others have not. Secondly, I don't see how mentioning the name of a lake is doing someone else's homework for them. If I put up a picture of myself with a decent fish and say that it's from (for example) Scully Lake, it doesn't really help anyone out all that much. It's not as if I have just posted exact directions to the lake, and it's not as if finding it is as easy as going to google-map. All it would do is give someone who may be interested a starting point of what to look for.

I understand that someone in your position wouldn't want to disclose the location of a newly discovered honeyhole, nor would I expect you to. My reports usually don't disclose the exact spot I was fishing or the technique I was using, but in most cases I see no harm in giving the name of the water body. What I have a problem with, is as follows:

1. People being tight-lipped about spots which are FAR from secrete
Nothing will make you look quite as greedy as posting a photo from 'spot x', if your spot x is clearly a well-known, well-fished location. I remember a few years back, reading a report (different forum) about a great haul of smallies and the guy wouldn't give the location. From the photos it was obvious that his big secret was non other than Hog's Back Park. Another joker in another thread posted about a great walleye outing, and the photos had Rideau Falls in the background. I've seen similar behaviour on this site regarding Petrie. Obviously no one knows about those spots :roll: ...better keep 'em in the vault.

2. Hostility some people express when 'their' spot is 'invaded'
It's amazing how many people don't grasp the concept of public property. Have you ever been on the receiving end of angry glares from locals or questions like "so...who told you about this spot?" or "why would you come all the way out here?". I don't care if your granddaddy's granddad started fishing this lake years ago and it has been a family secret since then. Public access means public access, f#$@ off.

3. People who get angry at others who so much as mention the name of their favorite lake
Almontefisher experienced this recently; I'm sure everyone reading this knows about it.

4. People who want to protect their favorite spot from invaders, yet themselves do their utmost best to fish it clean
Ever seen a good ol' boy keep three times his limit of walleye, that he caught on twice the legal number of lines? Or maybe you overheard some folks bragging about how the bass were on fire yesterday, and then realized it's mid-May? All the while these same people wouldn't in a million years tell anyone else about their honey spots. I don't know about you, but I would much rather share a spot with ten C&R fisherman, then with one local who keeps fish as though he would otherwise starve. I think it's obvious which will do more harm in the long run.

I don't know if your definition of "following the code" includes any of the above, but I hope it doesn't. I think that if people become too secretive about locations when writing their reports, pretty soon they will be less inclined to share what bait was used, the weather conditions, water depth, etc. Eventually we might start seeing reports that amount to nothing more than pictures of people holding fish, and that would be pretty dull. I realize that thats a pretty big slippery slope, but sometimes I feel that is the direction some fishing forums are heading.

Obviously no one is obligated to share any info. Thats the beautiful thing about free speech - you can choose to share, or not to share. Thats my 2.5 cents 8)
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Well said Wolfman. I will continue to post reports the way I want to when I get out fishing again. No one is going to tell me to not post a location or the type of bait being used or anything else. I will report as I always have. I dont have a problem with sharing what I can as I have been helped numerous times to better my angling abilities form others. You have a right to post or not post, your choice. If you dont want to post a specific location then dont. But just because someone mentions such and such lake or river, its not going to make me run out and head straight towards that area. The lakes and rivers are for all of us to enjoy and you can not prevent people from using them. I do understand the concers people have and most of them are valid. Small lakes that can not support a pile of fishing preassure definitely can be kept secret, by all means, but if someone posts it so what there is nothing you can do about it. Free speech is something that is getting lost in this world but hopefully not here. I respect both sides here. But if I get told to remove or not name where I was, as I was last year, then I will not tollerate it , I have a right and will excersise that right to do a report as I like and all I can hope for is that everyone respects that.

Not likely but I can hope. :wink:
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This is a great thread.
Most of my posts are about the lake I live on so I am always conscious of the fact that if i reveal too much information about the spot i'm in the reader can find my little honey hole and fish it out. I will PM people who are asking for help fishing on a body of water i may have some knowledge on. I am a trusting person but i'm not going to give up the "good" spots i find to lurkers. One of the worst feelings i ever had was gearing up to fish the river my father taught me to fish and seeing a guy coming off the water with an over limit stringer of 3-4lb smallies braggin about dragging a worm through the current to catch them. It was/is a smallish river and those fish would take many years to replenish. if i met that same guy now i'd have had a serious conversation with him about over fishing and being a general butt-hat.

anyway, there's nothing wrong with promoting a fishery (there are many family owned businesses that could use the plug for the areas they service) but i would refrain from specifics. let the lurkers know the area is good but make them visit the local bait shop and spend some dough to get the specifics areas to try.
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Post by dana »

quote rj
..but why would a fisherman ever want to do that to a spot or lake that he cherishes?

pick one, none, some, or all.
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1. ego
2. naive
3.philanthropic
4.drunk

p.s try winning a classic some where specific and see what happens to that place
the next time around,,LOL

p.p.s.
try having a selective fishing method and win afew using it and see what happens to areas that can be fished the same way all over the river/lake..

Its so good to be nice to people and "help " them..
but many times it comes back to bite yah..
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