Guys,
Don't get me wrong here, I feel very bad for BTS and the other owners of those shacks, and if there was something I could do with the resources at my disposal, I would. It is violation indeed and needs to be punished, however taking the law into your own hands is NOT the answer. I'm a little shocked at some of the comments I'm hearing and quite frankly I'm at a loss for words really. I just hope that this is just talk, and there is by no means any plan or plans to go any further, without proper involvement from the police. All I can say is please be careful how you paint yourself. It may someday come back to haunt you.
$500.00 REWARD
It would appear that some folks who spend a fair bit of time on the Internet sometimes lose touch of reality and say things in this anonymous place that they would never say in real life. That's the Internet, isn't it! For better or worse..........and I surely have typed things and hit the send button that I truly wish I could have called back.... 
If a victim is certain of the identities of the culprits, and if the police officer who first heard the complaint told the victim that nothing can be done, the victim needs to speak with the (municipal) Police Chief or (OPP)Police Detachment Commander, or the person in charge of that police service. Rationally tell this person why you are certain that you know the identities of the culprits, and insist that they be questioned. If the police supervisor declines to take action, go to the next higher level either in the police hierarchy if it is an OPP detachment, or in the case of a municipal force to the Police Services Board. If you continue to be stonewalled, every police force in this country has a transparent complaints process if a citizen is unhappy with some aspect of the police service for which they as taxpayers foot the bill.
However, without tangible evidence, the police officer who questions the suspects has essentially nothing with which to pursue an investigation, and if the suspects exercise their right to remain silent, that is basically a dead end. Kids that commit acts of vandalism like this are really not too likely to just cave in when a police officer asks them some questions....
So..........the victim needs to do a bit of investigative work himself or herself, like asking questions of nearby residents etc to see if maybe somebody did see something. If the victim finds that Joe Blow saw such and such, which tends to confirm the suspicions about the suspects, THAT may be useful information for the investigating police force.
Not as much fun as putting together a posse and stringing the guilty bastards from the nearest tree, and not nearly as satisfying, I am sure, but it is the way that the law works at this time in this country.
Doug
If a victim is certain of the identities of the culprits, and if the police officer who first heard the complaint told the victim that nothing can be done, the victim needs to speak with the (municipal) Police Chief or (OPP)Police Detachment Commander, or the person in charge of that police service. Rationally tell this person why you are certain that you know the identities of the culprits, and insist that they be questioned. If the police supervisor declines to take action, go to the next higher level either in the police hierarchy if it is an OPP detachment, or in the case of a municipal force to the Police Services Board. If you continue to be stonewalled, every police force in this country has a transparent complaints process if a citizen is unhappy with some aspect of the police service for which they as taxpayers foot the bill.
However, without tangible evidence, the police officer who questions the suspects has essentially nothing with which to pursue an investigation, and if the suspects exercise their right to remain silent, that is basically a dead end. Kids that commit acts of vandalism like this are really not too likely to just cave in when a police officer asks them some questions....
So..........the victim needs to do a bit of investigative work himself or herself, like asking questions of nearby residents etc to see if maybe somebody did see something. If the victim finds that Joe Blow saw such and such, which tends to confirm the suspicions about the suspects, THAT may be useful information for the investigating police force.
Not as much fun as putting together a posse and stringing the guilty bastards from the nearest tree, and not nearly as satisfying, I am sure, but it is the way that the law works at this time in this country.
Doug
i found this link on another website and registered so i could post an answer....
first off... if my kids did that let me tell you they would have pretty sore a$$es...no matter how old they are
second they would be paying for all of the damages and let me tell you they would confess who helped them destroy someones home away from home
third... after paying for all the damage, they would be helping everyone rebuild
and fourth, they would be getting a picture with this sign, hanging from there necks posted in the local paper....
i personally would put an ad in the paper that would state that any info leading to their arrest can be done anoymously..
first off... if my kids did that let me tell you they would have pretty sore a$$es...no matter how old they are
second they would be paying for all of the damages and let me tell you they would confess who helped them destroy someones home away from home
third... after paying for all the damage, they would be helping everyone rebuild
and fourth, they would be getting a picture with this sign, hanging from there necks posted in the local paper....
i personally would put an ad in the paper that would state that any info leading to their arrest can be done anoymously..
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Again, although in agreement, righfully giving them a vigalante dose of justice is merited, it's not right. A true shame, that for the most part our officers and justice system have their hands tied to a great degree, without proper evidence.
I again, don't condone a swift, justified and rightfull beating....but I'll tell you this in secrecy...
(if I was one of the vandals and my father had found out, I'd not only get the everloving beating of a lifetime, within a breath of my life but he'd march me to the owners front door, appologize and work off the debt in any matter possible, then make me feel worse, for the mere look of shame in his eyes and sadness that his son acted in such a way. Another slap in the head for idiocy, within the privacy of our home would follow for good measure).
That would constitute the first 5 minutes....
Times have changed my friends and not for the better. Some very good and thought provoking comments in regard to a difficult and frustrating thread.
Given all this, it'd be nice for Claradon to ring in again with an opinion and a possible solution in his opinion to this social, legal and otherwise complicated conundrum.
Not stirring the pot or being an arse. It's an honest Q given his comments. How do we combat such things? Whats the best way to go about it? Do we allow a societal decline gradually?
I've looked at both sides...and understand and empathize with both, however, just what, if anything is a reasonable and justified path to a solution?
I again, don't condone a swift, justified and rightfull beating....but I'll tell you this in secrecy...
(if I was one of the vandals and my father had found out, I'd not only get the everloving beating of a lifetime, within a breath of my life but he'd march me to the owners front door, appologize and work off the debt in any matter possible, then make me feel worse, for the mere look of shame in his eyes and sadness that his son acted in such a way. Another slap in the head for idiocy, within the privacy of our home would follow for good measure).
That would constitute the first 5 minutes....
Times have changed my friends and not for the better. Some very good and thought provoking comments in regard to a difficult and frustrating thread.
Given all this, it'd be nice for Claradon to ring in again with an opinion and a possible solution in his opinion to this social, legal and otherwise complicated conundrum.
Not stirring the pot or being an arse. It's an honest Q given his comments. How do we combat such things? Whats the best way to go about it? Do we allow a societal decline gradually?
I've looked at both sides...and understand and empathize with both, however, just what, if anything is a reasonable and justified path to a solution?
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Claraden, thank you for responding and I will state from the onset that I never claimed to "stir" or made an admission of being an "@sshole." If you read more clearly, you'll discover I infact said the very opposite.
I initially didn't see your point of view, being a complete and total contrast to my and many others opinion. This is why I asked your opinion in this regard, as we've made some progress and I was sincerely wondering your greater thoughts were.
I'm sure we're all agreed that such behaviour is not acceptable.
I will however mention that I did indeed address you in a respectfull and gentlemanlike manner. I do expect the same courtesy.
This is the manner of civilized conversation, general respect and given the bigger picture, how to combat the very issue of the thread and how to prevent such general disrespect for others.
This is the very reason I asked you opinion, given your contrary view. I will however sir, ask that you address me with the same respect I demonstrate to you.
Thank you.
(In regard to taxes and the fine job our brave officers do, with in my opinion, not nearly the salary they deserve. I suggest you kindly ask some of our law inforcement members the frustrating futility they are presented with on a daily basis, in regard to imposing our laws and obvious guilt vs. lack of concrete evidence. I attempted to explain but perhaps they can better).
I initially didn't see your point of view, being a complete and total contrast to my and many others opinion. This is why I asked your opinion in this regard, as we've made some progress and I was sincerely wondering your greater thoughts were.
I'm sure we're all agreed that such behaviour is not acceptable.
I will however mention that I did indeed address you in a respectfull and gentlemanlike manner. I do expect the same courtesy.
This is the manner of civilized conversation, general respect and given the bigger picture, how to combat the very issue of the thread and how to prevent such general disrespect for others.
This is the very reason I asked you opinion, given your contrary view. I will however sir, ask that you address me with the same respect I demonstrate to you.
Thank you.
(In regard to taxes and the fine job our brave officers do, with in my opinion, not nearly the salary they deserve. I suggest you kindly ask some of our law inforcement members the frustrating futility they are presented with on a daily basis, in regard to imposing our laws and obvious guilt vs. lack of concrete evidence. I attempted to explain but perhaps they can better).
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Claritin, based on your statements i feel that your world is somewhat skewed with fantasy, make-believe or just plain old ignorance and oblivion to the world that is unfolding and evolving aroun you every day. I understand that spanking is frowned upon and violence and blah blah blah. Please be aware that people here are very pee pee off....this is the cold harsh reality when people destroy other peoples belongings for no other apparent reason other than a thrill. Not all human beings are created equally....just look at prisons for example....THEY ARE FULL AND IT'S HUGE BUSINESS! If everyone was as nice as apple pie we would'nt need the police, judicial process or prisons for that matter.
Do you fish? what do you like to fish for? Are you into C&R or do you eat a few once and awhile. What kinda gear do you use? Please don't take offence to my questions ....cause god forbid....this is a fishing site too!!!! With real people on it!!!!
Grant.
Do you fish? what do you like to fish for? Are you into C&R or do you eat a few once and awhile. What kinda gear do you use? Please don't take offence to my questions ....cause god forbid....this is a fishing site too!!!! With real people on it!!!!
Grant.
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Opinions are fine but insults are over the line.
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Bottom line is that these shacks were vandalized/destroyed by a person/people who had no respect for another persons property, These senseless acts occur every single day in every single town, for no apparent reason. Be thankful that wasn't your home! Members, (myself included) are upset that someone had the Balls to wilfully damage someones property with no regard for consequences, with an act that they found to be fun nonetheless. Unfortunately you may feel that the police may have done nothing to correct this issue but without a withness,a confession or REAL evidence there is little that can be done.
So sharpen you pitchforks boys....................
JUST KIDDING
No matter how you look at it....Its plain sad
So sharpen you pitchforks boys....................
JUST KIDDING
No matter how you look at it....Its plain sad
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Bruin, maybe you should change your avatar. Some impressionable F-H member might take it literally and rip somebody's stomach out, beat them with it and wear it on their head.
Point being: I don't think anyone actually intends to commit violence here, they are just venting anger and frustration by saying "we should whoop some butt". And yes, there is A LOT of anger and frustration, and it is appropriate considering the damage inflicted. So they might not have fishing huts in Africa, so what? This is not Africa. This is Canada. This is supposed to be a well-developped country, but that does not mean that there is less crime, or that there are no flaws in the justice system, in the community, or at the family level where people no longer care about raising their children to know what RESPECT is. This is the real world and this is a real problem. If someone beats up your car while you are grocery shopping are you going to hunt them down to talk? to fight? No! But it will pi$$ you off, cost you a LOT of $$$ to fix, and the offender gets away scott free.
You talk of democracy, Clarendon, but I think what you mean is communism - where everything is owned by everyone, where IN THEORY everyone gets along for the greater good of the community. Democracy is about voting, about the will of the masses. And I think, clearly, the masses here (perhaps not everywhere, but at least on this forum) are upset and ultimately just want justice restored where it is due.
Point being: I don't think anyone actually intends to commit violence here, they are just venting anger and frustration by saying "we should whoop some butt". And yes, there is A LOT of anger and frustration, and it is appropriate considering the damage inflicted. So they might not have fishing huts in Africa, so what? This is not Africa. This is Canada. This is supposed to be a well-developped country, but that does not mean that there is less crime, or that there are no flaws in the justice system, in the community, or at the family level where people no longer care about raising their children to know what RESPECT is. This is the real world and this is a real problem. If someone beats up your car while you are grocery shopping are you going to hunt them down to talk? to fight? No! But it will pi$$ you off, cost you a LOT of $$$ to fix, and the offender gets away scott free.
You talk of democracy, Clarendon, but I think what you mean is communism - where everything is owned by everyone, where IN THEORY everyone gets along for the greater good of the community. Democracy is about voting, about the will of the masses. And I think, clearly, the masses here (perhaps not everywhere, but at least on this forum) are upset and ultimately just want justice restored where it is due.
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I asked the "respect" Q as a soundboard for the majority of members here that are decent, respectfull folks to guage their opinion.
Claradon...your words, actions and pitifull lack of mature, reasonable and responsible response, act as a very clear picture of your faculties.
This will be my last response to your sadly unproductive comments in this regard. A very clear demonstration of one of the very problems we face in society today and why there is a continuing degradation of respect.
Sad really.
Claradon...your words, actions and pitifull lack of mature, reasonable and responsible response, act as a very clear picture of your faculties.
This will be my last response to your sadly unproductive comments in this regard. A very clear demonstration of one of the very problems we face in society today and why there is a continuing degradation of respect.
Sad really.
