looking to buy a bait casting rod

[Bigfisher101]

hey all i have never use a bate casting rob before but i would like to buy one and get good at using it what would be a good starting rod and wear can i buy it im willing to spend 150 for one.thanks

im back from the big rideau but i odnt have the pics yet so when i get them i will post a report GREAT FISHING TRIP

Bigfisher

[Wallyboss]

You can have a very good rod for under $100.00, what i suggest is the extra 50 you wanted to spend, just put an extra 50 on the reel instead.

[Anton88]

Tell me if you like this one ...




Ultra-tough yet fine in diameter, these rods are a result of Daiwa’s Glatech™ construction. Outer layers of the blank are rugged fiberglass, while interior layers are powerful graphite for a super-strong, thick-walled blank of amazing power and durability.



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Beefstick® Freshwater -Spinning Features:
Glatechâ„¢ blank combines rugged fiberglass on the outside with powerful graphite inside for strength, power and durability
Hump-back spinning reel seat fits the natural shape of your palm for maximum comfort
Cut-proof aluminum oxide guides
Custom thread wrap with durable, multi-coat finish
Natural cork handle with rubber butt cap
Comfortable, high-density foam foregrip

Model
Number Power Action Length
Feet Pieces Line Wt.
(Lb.) Lure Wt.
(Ounces) No.
Guides
Spinning
BF 562MLRS ML R 5'6" 2 4 - 12 1/8 - 1/2 6
BF 601MRS M R 6' 1 6 - 14 1/8 - 3/4 6
BF 602MLRS ML R 6' 2 4 - 12 1/8 - 1/2 6
BF 661MFS M F 6'6" 1 6 - 14 1/8 - 3/4 6
BF 662MRS M R 6'6" 2 6 - 14 1/8 - 3/4 6
BF 662MHRS MH R 6'6" 2 8 - 17 1/4 - 1 6
BF 701MFS M F 7' 1 6 - 14 1/8 - 3/4 6
BF 702MHFS MH F 7' 2 8 - 17 1/4 - 1 6
BF 702MRS M R 7' 2 6 - 14 1/8 - 3/4 6
BF 802MHRS MH R 8' 2 8 - 17 1/4 - 1 7
BF 862HRS H R 8'6" 2 10 - 20 1/4 - 1 1/2 6

[Anton88]

Im about to buy one of these, 8 feet long, Medium/Heavy action . to do some saltwater fishing. I think its a quality product from a reliable maker.

[Doug]

I think you might very profitably pick the brains of some hard-core bass anglers who use these rigs, to narrow your selection down a bit. I reckon they will want to know how you fish, what specie(s) you target, and what lure(s) you plan to use. There have to be a hundred types of rods for various applications, and not all of them would be for you.

There are some businesses who advertise here on Fish Hawk, and who have knowledgeable folks that can help steer you in the right direction. You can handle the rods and see what fits.

And like wallyboss says, you can for sure buy a very good rod for less money than you are talking about. Good luck to you!

Doug

[Bluefin]

Look into Okuma rods!

Their top end baitcasters are under your price of $150, and while they have the same action, lengths and strength of companies like St. Croix, they come with lifetime warranties, which is about 70 years longer than St. Croix...

I have a Fenwick HMG that I love, but it broke last year, and while it does have a lifetime warranty also, it took 7 months, and I had to pay the shipping! Okuma is over-the-counter, 100% warrantied. One of their reps even told me that if I break it in a car door, they would still replace it!

Just don't buy until you have looked into them. I'm buying one of their musky rods next week, as soon as the next cheque arrives.

[Bigfisher101]

Thanks for the tips guys it will for sure help me find the rod im looking for

Bigfisher

[ady]

You'll find recomendations for every brand based on experience on FH. I too have had a Fenwick break but LB replaced it. I now use exclusively StCroix. The Premier series have a 5 year warranty, the avid and legend have lifetime. Dealing with StCroix warranty is by return of post and usually an offer to upgrade. The Avid may be a little over our 150 budget but you get what you pay for. The problem in Ottawa is that there are few stores that carry a wide selection. LBs is limited to low end and high end (loomis). Eds has a good selection but it's a fair drive from Ottawa. I suggest you find a buddy that has one that he likes and give it a try before you purchase. You only want to do this once.

[CrappieKeith]

Here's some info I got from Jim Grandt /owner Grandt rods......

Grandt Blanks are made with Kevlar scrim cloth differing from all you have mentioned. These are extremely light and durable and the most sensitive blanks on the market. As for the 85 million modulus boasting. There is no fiber containing that. They have a glaze that is dusted over an IM6 material. Our graphite is run length wise not horizontal. That is more direction from the butt to the tip causing the rod to respond faster. We are the largest manufacture of rods for other companies in the US. FACT.

As for the handles, we import cork from portugal like the others, but also have graphite weaved handles, and wood that other companies do not make. WHY ? THey are more sensitive but more time consuming to make.

All our rods are splined. The high side of the blank. When you here someone ask you. Most likely they do not know what they are talking about but here is what that means. When our cloth is wrapped on the mandrals, we then wrap the graphite compressing the cloth to the mandral with celephane. Then we solidify the fibers in our ovens making the blank. Our patterns and flexes are designed by jim grandt and our engineering staff to perfect the actions. Yes we have fast tips, slow tapers, extra stiff rear sections, reserve powers. All of that is specificly designed for the angler that can not find what they need in our standard line. Jim Grandt will satisfy all requests and we have the technique and experience to offer this.

AA cork grips are a grade that is above the standard B grade on factory rods. Less filling and more cork. More dense materials are used.

IM6 stands for Intermediate Modulus/ Ranging from 28Mil thru 58 Mil. That is a standard. IM7 and IM8 are trade names not standard. Would you like a IM300, trade mark the standard cloth and your off and running. We mark our rods with what we have in them. Straight and to the point above the board with FACTS not gimmicks. Modulus is the material of graphite per cubic inch. NO FLUFF. STRAIGHT FACT. Running lengthwise transmits faster to your hand. Keith you have used the one 007 for northerns, Bass, smallies, walleyes. Try to do that versatillity with other companies. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NO one has our warranty. Period. We warranty everything.

As for straight line modulus, Our modulus is 58 million modulus in the All American rods, this is filiment not glaze. We have the trademark on the 70 Mil Modulus and that is straight line filiment and we also have the blend of Kevlar. If we were not special we would not be making 68 other companies rods for 25 years.

A little secret. YES we have a 25 anniversary edition coming out in All American and also the xlh70. Special stuff that no one has heard of in components. We researched these special components for 2 years. They will be released shortly.

Again you have some information

[YakAttack]

Let's talk about modulus for a bit......it's short for modulus of elasticity, a property of solids - like carbon, steel, aluminum, etc. Modulus of elasticity is the ratio of stress over strain. With it, you can calculate how much a solid will bend under a certain amount of load -- and, oh yeah, you have to take into account the geometry of the solid as well to know how much it will bend. Ever seen an I-beam? They're shaped that way for a reason

So, given two solid chunks of carbon fiber (I know, a solid chunk of fiber? please bear with me) that are shaped exactly the same -- one is IM6 and one is IM8 - the IM6 will bend more than the IM8 under the same load, because the IM6 has a lower "modulus" than the IM8.

How much will they bend? Again, depends on the geometry of the solid and the load.

---there's a point I want to make....I'm getting to it....

So you want to design a fishing rod - where do you start? Maybe you focus on how the thing reacts under load. Say we want fast action - ok, so we know the shape that we want the rod to take under load - bends more near the tip than at the middle - so we make the rod more slender near the tip than at the middle. How slender? Depends on the modulus of elasticity. Using IM6? Make it kinda slender. Using IM8? Can make it even more slender.

Not too slender though.....it might break when that fat bass nails the spinner bait:!:

Now wait a minute - is IM8 stronger than IM6? The modulus tells us how much those materials bend, but what about how much load it can take until it breaks?

Don't know

And that's my point (well, part of it). How do IM6 and IM8 compare regarding breaking stress? Are they the same? Are they different?

I guess we're supposed to believe that the IM8 provides more "feel", because it's stiffer and it will be more efficient at transmitting information from tip of the rod to the handle than the less stiff IM6. But overall, a rod that is made with IM6 can be made just as stiff as a rod made with IM8 - maybe the IM8 rod can be made more slender and so it's lighter -- but that's only possible if the IM8 has a higher breaking strength than IM6 -- but I don't know if that's true.

And how does all the goop that holds the carbon fiber in place factor into it? What's the modulus of that stuff? How much of the rod is carbon fiber and how much is goop?

I dunno. I wish they would include all this info in the marketing fluff that they feed us.

Does anybody know? If you do, please fill me in.

.....
Modulus is the material of graphite per cubic inch. NO FLUFF. STRAIGHT FACT.

Seems like pure fluff to me. None of these comments are directed at you CrappieKeith...I just can't stand marketing crap like this.

More info about modulus of elasticity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastic_modulus
Info about carbon fiber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber

[Doug]

two bananas equals one wristwatch.

Doug

[Wallyboss]

The Wikipedia link shows the only part of the rod that is affected by Moduli!!!
Three other elastic moduli are Poisson's ratio, Lamé's first parameter, and P-wave modulus.

It's the part about Poisson's ratio!!! hihihi

[Crunchy]

YakAttack:

Umm, err, umm, my head hurts after reading that - reminds me of my materials engineering classes at school - never did like that class.


So if I follow you, are you saying that an IM-06 and a IM-08 can potentially be the same rod, but the IM-08 can be made with less material (hence, lighter rod)?

[YakAttack]

reminds me of my materials engineering classes at school - never did like that class.

Yeah, materials engineering class, sorry to dredge it up here - actually, blame the marketing group - they started it!

So if I follow you, are you saying that an IM-06 and a IM-08 can potentially be the same rod, but the IM-08 can be made with less material (hence, lighter rod)?

What I'm saying is that if they only talk about modulus, and don't fill us in about all the other properties, then it's pretty much useless information

Poisson's ratio

[Doug]

If the gevirdilator sine wave approaches a calculated value of zero when the load maximizes at the hypotenuse variable, then IM6 and IM8 are of equal value to two bananas, or one wristwatch.

I was awake during those lectures, trust me!

Doug