Ontario MNR going a little too far?

Post by **TLunge** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:47 pm

Ya Bucket I dont know if thats true because I do know that you can bust people for "causing a disturbance" or mischeif or other offences of that sort to deal with drunk rowdies etc. Not to mention we were in the middle of nowhere with not a soul around
TLunge

Post by **DropShotr** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:15 am

I'm with bucketmouth 100% on this one!!
Sorry boys & girls, times are changin'. In this day and age dringing responsibly means leaving the beer in the 'fridge or cooler till you get back.

DropShot'r

Post by **creeky** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:36 am

having a few beers on the ice is no problem. come on, who's out there. a bunch of other guys having beer on the ice.
sure, it's okay to drink beer at a golf course, get in a motor cart, zoom around like a crazee ar#e
but ya can't have a beer while ice fishin'?
it's about as logical as it's okay for a rich guy with a big boat to drink while he cruises (cause he has a head) but if yer in a little boat you can be fined. yes the law is equal for all

also, i thought the province just said that mnr can't enforce police rules anymore.
i say what goes into the hut stays in the hut, hic

Post by **Andy_L** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:20 am

actually....just cause he has a head does NOT mean he can have a drink while cruising around. the boat has to be tied to a dock or at anchor for there to be open alcohol...having a 'drink' while underway will still net him a charge from the authorities if caught. doesn't matter if the boat is 12 feet, or 60 feet with 5 heads.

where the head comes into play is you CAN have a drink on board if tied to a dock or anchored, where as with a boat without, you cannot at any time have alcohol consumed ON the boat

Post by **Mak'er a Lak'er** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:39 am

This brings up a question that I had regarding drinking on a boat in Quebec.

I have heard that it is ok to have alcohol in a fishing boat in Quebec...has anyone heard of whether this is a wives tale or not?

Thanks,

Mak'er a lak'er

Post by **Andy_L** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:56 am

cut n paste from Transport Canada website:

Alcohol and Boating

Driving Under the Influence

Boating while impaired is an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada.

Operators with more than 80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood are liable to the following fines :

1st offence : at least $600 fine
2nd offence : at least 14 days of imprisonment
3rd offence : at least 90 days of imprisonment
The maximum sentence may vary depending on provincial statutes.

Consumption of Alcohol
In most provinces :

Alcohol may be consumed on board the pleasure craft if it meets all of the following conditions:

The vessel has permanent sleeping facilities
The vessel has permanent cooking facilities
The vessel has a permanent toilet
The vessel is anchored or secured alongside a dock

Check with the appropriate provincial authorities (OPP for Ontario, SQ for Quebec, RCMP for all other provinces and territories) for carriage restrictions.

Post by **Tip-up** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:24 am

creeky wrote:having a few beers on the ice is no problem. come on, who's out there. a bunch of other guys having beer on the ice.
sure, it's okay to drink beer at a golf course, get in a motor cart, zoom around like a crazee ar#e

Mind you who really has more than a single brew while on the links

Post by **Wallyboss** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:09 pm

The difference in Quebec is that it is legal to have booze in the boat and it is legal to consume booze in the boat.
But like any other province it is still illegal for the driver to consume.

In Ontario it is illegal to even have some in the boat never mind consuming it driver or not.

Post by **riverdog** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:41 pm

On the Americain side of the St.Lawerence you can have beer in your boat and even have one as a driver when parked but you must remain under legal limit for NY.state. I don't care for the rule that you can't have a beer or a drink while ice fishing. What about the people who live on lakes or rivers they shouldn't be able to walk off there dock drill a hole and have a beer? Come on! What about the people that sit in a lawn chair in the water to stay cool beside their dock and have a beer, would that be illegal is that considered public nobody actually owns the water? I don't drink and fish hell I barely drink and yes there are idoits all over most require no booze at all just comes natural. I don't want a bunch of drunks around me in boats -cars-or ice fishing but I think sometimes the government just goes out on a ban all instead of thinking out better solutions with better enforcement. Its nice to hear that there is a CO actually out making the rounds. I thought they were extinct. They should worry about the poaching and no licensed fisherman and the illegal perch sellers and so on.......

Post by **TLunge** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:53 pm

I think in Quebec even the driver can consume as long as he/she stays under the legal limit.
TLunge

Post by **Fishboy** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:57 am

It is not legal to drink and drive in any province in Canada.

I think some of you guys ought to do a lot less drinking and a lot more thinking.....

Post by **JimmyBuffett** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:53 am

Fishboy wrote:It is not legal to drink and drive in any province in Canada.

I think some of you guys ought to do a lot less drinking and a lot more thinking.....

Apples to Oranges....

How can you compare navigating a 12ft boat around a secluded lake while under the influence to driving a 7000lb truck down a highway doing 100=km/hr with 1000 of vehicles around you???

Let alone crackin a few pops while droppin a jig down a hole?

I've got to admit though consuming copius ammounts of booze and having hooks and fish with teeth around is not the brightest of ideas

But again laws are laws

Post by **YakAttack** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:47 am

I imagine that drinking while driving a boat increases the chances of death, regardless of the surroundings. I'm just guessing, but I bet there are statistics to support that.

Secluded lake, no alcohol, chance of death = x.
Secluded lake, alcohol, chance of death = y.
y>x

Busy lake, no alcohol, chance of death = m
Busy lake, alcohol, chance of death = n
n>m

Is m > y ?

This opinion is zz% accurate v times out of 10.

Dead is dead, no matter what fruit you happen to be eating at the time. That I'm sure of 100%.

Post by **Terry_F** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:47 am

Interesting opinions.

For me it boils down to:- How would I feel knowing I caused someone else to loose their car or boat or dock or Kids / Husband / Wife.

Same applies for car or boat!

It's not just about how this affects you! Think about the other guy!

In a lake on your own? - think about your Wife / Husband / Kids / Mom.

The legal requirement is the legal requirement, what about the moral requirement?

Post by **SixStringHack** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:24 am

Wallyboss wrote: In Ontario it is illegal to even have some in the boat never mind consuming it driver or not.

I doubt this. How would you legally take a case of beer to an island cottage if you didn't have a helicopter or float plane? I bet the rule has more to do with consumption of rather than transportation of alcohol.

I just found this on the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario web site:

7. Under what circumstances is it illegal to transport beverage alcohol?
It is illegal to transport beverage alcohol in a motor vehicle, a motorized snow vehicle or a boat unless the beverage alcohol is in a container that is unopened and the seal unbroken, or unless the beverage alcohol is packaged in baggage that is fastened closed or is not otherwise readily available to anyone in the vehicle. In a boat, the beverage alcohol must be stored in a closed compartment.