He sure sounds like a real wizard. Must be where you got your "smarts"
See what ol' Gramps would say if his 4 year old grandaughter fell into that huge hole if it blew over.
Dummy. Like are you seriously advocating making 2X2 live wells and not filling em in ?..haha
Good old internet eh. It truly lets those who have thus far defied Darwin's natural selection speak their minds.
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Hello All,
Wow - can't believe the attitude of a few on this thread! Sorry, but if you want to play the ice fishing game, then learn a few simple rules. That includes marking any dangerous holes. Common sense applies here.
A 2' by 2' well is just insane to leave unmarked. Some fresh snow and mild temps., and you've got yourself a death trap on your hands.
A fellow writer friend of mine came out onto the ice at Petrie last year. They didn't even drill their first hole before his four year old's leg went completely in an unmarked hole, right up to her crotch. It was a scary sight, and the outcome could of been much worse. Suffice to say, their day ended before it began.
A 2' by 2' hole runs the risk for humans, for dogs on the ice, and for snowmachines.
Use some common sense, folks. Is it really that hard to mark a dangerous spot on the ice? If it is, then it might be time to look for a new sport..
My 2cents worth.
Good Fishing,
Justin
Wow - can't believe the attitude of a few on this thread! Sorry, but if you want to play the ice fishing game, then learn a few simple rules. That includes marking any dangerous holes. Common sense applies here.
A 2' by 2' well is just insane to leave unmarked. Some fresh snow and mild temps., and you've got yourself a death trap on your hands.
A fellow writer friend of mine came out onto the ice at Petrie last year. They didn't even drill their first hole before his four year old's leg went completely in an unmarked hole, right up to her crotch. It was a scary sight, and the outcome could of been much worse. Suffice to say, their day ended before it began.
A 2' by 2' hole runs the risk for humans, for dogs on the ice, and for snowmachines.
Use some common sense, folks. Is it really that hard to mark a dangerous spot on the ice? If it is, then it might be time to look for a new sport..
My 2cents worth.
Good Fishing,
Justin
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Riddle me this;
A two by two unmarked hole and a standard 8 or 10 inch unmarked hole.
Which one is harder to see?
If you cant see the Jesus hole I made, I hope you don't drive. I think I see it there today on Google Earth!
If the standard hole is harder to see (And I think that it is...) than all you people who are hijacking this thread in the name of safety better start buying a sled load of flags and other things to mark ALL of your holes. Are these things that any ice fishing supply store will sell? (Educate me, I don't know)
Do you guys already mark all your holes? If you don't, then take the logical inevitable action that your conclusions should be leading you to, and mark every hole. The limited exposure I have had to ice fishing perhaps has deprived me of seeing these industry standard markers... I don't know.
I would NOT bring a child on to the ice without being read the riot act about how to act and stay safe on the ice. That includes cracks and holes in the ice and keeping your head on a swivel. If I think, even for a moment, that they cannot do that, the responsibility is on ME if they get hurt on the ice. Same goes in a boat. Same goes walking down the street.
I have three kids under 12, I would be devastated if one of them went through the ice, or broke an ankle or a leg. No doubt. There is also no doubt that I will be more careful with the holes I chop in the ice in the future as a result of this thread. But I also think that people need to take their personal safety as THEIR responsibility and that of any minors that are in their charge.
If you want to play the game of life, never mind ice fishing, then you need to learn a few simple rules;
It is not up to every one else to keep you safe.
More and more people blame the world for all their problems and dodge any culpability for their own personal safety. People tend to feel a certain amount of solace when it is not their fault, they don't have to look at themselves and their actions (or inaction) and realize that they are the ones asleep at the switch.
It is unfortunate and horrible that your friend's child sustained an injury on the ice last year... no doubt a scary situation.
But who's fault is it? Not the 4 year old's... that much is for sure. Are you going to blame the person who drilled that hole and left it unmarked? Maybe... and maybe they did mark it. No one knows. Perhaps it was marked when they left and a strong wind (like we had last night) blew away their little flag or it got buried as it was snowing or someone stole it to mark their own holes? That being the case... who is left to blame?
Again... I will do my best, within reason, to not be an "Unsafe Fisher" and mark the holes I chop.
But people need to take responsibility for their own lives safety and I will do my best to make certain that I am not adding to the pitfalls and dangers that will exist, with or without my help.
A two by two unmarked hole and a standard 8 or 10 inch unmarked hole.
Which one is harder to see?
If you cant see the Jesus hole I made, I hope you don't drive. I think I see it there today on Google Earth!
If the standard hole is harder to see (And I think that it is...) than all you people who are hijacking this thread in the name of safety better start buying a sled load of flags and other things to mark ALL of your holes. Are these things that any ice fishing supply store will sell? (Educate me, I don't know)
Do you guys already mark all your holes? If you don't, then take the logical inevitable action that your conclusions should be leading you to, and mark every hole. The limited exposure I have had to ice fishing perhaps has deprived me of seeing these industry standard markers... I don't know.
I would NOT bring a child on to the ice without being read the riot act about how to act and stay safe on the ice. That includes cracks and holes in the ice and keeping your head on a swivel. If I think, even for a moment, that they cannot do that, the responsibility is on ME if they get hurt on the ice. Same goes in a boat. Same goes walking down the street.
I have three kids under 12, I would be devastated if one of them went through the ice, or broke an ankle or a leg. No doubt. There is also no doubt that I will be more careful with the holes I chop in the ice in the future as a result of this thread. But I also think that people need to take their personal safety as THEIR responsibility and that of any minors that are in their charge.
If you want to play the game of life, never mind ice fishing, then you need to learn a few simple rules;
It is not up to every one else to keep you safe.
More and more people blame the world for all their problems and dodge any culpability for their own personal safety. People tend to feel a certain amount of solace when it is not their fault, they don't have to look at themselves and their actions (or inaction) and realize that they are the ones asleep at the switch.
It is unfortunate and horrible that your friend's child sustained an injury on the ice last year... no doubt a scary situation.
But who's fault is it? Not the 4 year old's... that much is for sure. Are you going to blame the person who drilled that hole and left it unmarked? Maybe... and maybe they did mark it. No one knows. Perhaps it was marked when they left and a strong wind (like we had last night) blew away their little flag or it got buried as it was snowing or someone stole it to mark their own holes? That being the case... who is left to blame?
Again... I will do my best, within reason, to not be an "Unsafe Fisher" and mark the holes I chop.
But people need to take responsibility for their own lives safety and I will do my best to make certain that I am not adding to the pitfalls and dangers that will exist, with or without my help.
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Cprince...
Riddle Me This - Both are equally hard to see if blowing snow has covered them....or if you come across either of them in the pitch black.
Not sure why you're taking such issue to this. Like any other thing we as angler's do when on the water, showing some common courtesy when out on the ice....is, well.....common courtesy.
I believe any hole 10" or bigger should be marked. The easiest way to do this is to pile up the snow beside the hole, and use your scoop to splash some water on it. Easy to see and identify. Another useful trick is to place a branch in the snow beside the hole. Again, a quick splash of water and she'll stay.
Sure, a 2' by 2' trench should be easy to see, but as another poster pointed out, ice fishing is often an early or late-day affair. I'm often on the ice at dark - sorry, but the last thing I'm expecting is a hole to swallow me up!
As for the child that went in the hole from my previous post - she took a half dozen steps from the sled her father pulled her out on. That was all it took. You're right - children should be kept close. I agree. But accidents can happen...
You're right - it's not up to everyone else to keep you safe. But we can all help out in trying to ensure that our fellow fisherman are a bit safer due to our actions. That I hope you agree on.
Certainly not trying to be the "safety police" on here. Just trying to demonstrate a common courtesy procedure most on the ice adhere to...
It's up to you if you take the advice.
'Nuff said.
Good Fishing,
Justin
Riddle Me This - Both are equally hard to see if blowing snow has covered them....or if you come across either of them in the pitch black.
Not sure why you're taking such issue to this. Like any other thing we as angler's do when on the water, showing some common courtesy when out on the ice....is, well.....common courtesy.
I believe any hole 10" or bigger should be marked. The easiest way to do this is to pile up the snow beside the hole, and use your scoop to splash some water on it. Easy to see and identify. Another useful trick is to place a branch in the snow beside the hole. Again, a quick splash of water and she'll stay.
Sure, a 2' by 2' trench should be easy to see, but as another poster pointed out, ice fishing is often an early or late-day affair. I'm often on the ice at dark - sorry, but the last thing I'm expecting is a hole to swallow me up!
As for the child that went in the hole from my previous post - she took a half dozen steps from the sled her father pulled her out on. That was all it took. You're right - children should be kept close. I agree. But accidents can happen...
You're right - it's not up to everyone else to keep you safe. But we can all help out in trying to ensure that our fellow fisherman are a bit safer due to our actions. That I hope you agree on.
Certainly not trying to be the "safety police" on here. Just trying to demonstrate a common courtesy procedure most on the ice adhere to...
It's up to you if you take the advice.
'Nuff said.
Good Fishing,
Justin
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JustinHoffman wrote:... I believe any hole 10" or bigger should be marked. The easiest way to do this is to pile up the snow beside the hole...
From my second post on this hijacked thread:
Well I guess I DID do the standard thing to mark a hole despite my willy-nilly ways.cprince wrote:...."other than the mound of snow and ice taken from the hole left beside it I did nothing to mark the spot."
Not necessarily an issue with this all JustinHoffman... Perhaps it is the "I would have" or "You should have" rather than "Come on out to where I fish and I will show you what I do..." or "About that hole you made, check out this thread or web site that talks about ice safety".
I enjoy this site, for the most part. I have been posting to various internet sites for a long time. I know you need thick skin to consistently post on this and any site. Quitting smoking this week MAY have an impact with how patient I am with unsolicited criticisms...
I know that everyone who posted on this thread is well intentioned and have their own point of view. Thank you.
I just wish that suggestions on how to go about catching fish would have been the salient theme rather than questioning the safety of a given hole.
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BA it was your job to educate me to make a PILE of snow beside it even tho the snow was all frozen and the bay was almost snowless neverthelessBass Addict wrote:Fishing 24/7 wrote: i made a 2' x 2 ' live well on the ice and didnt mark anything!:shock:
Nice...real nice
Dumb, Dumb
and put some branches up..... even tho 100 km/h winds were picking up
didnt see you do anything about that live well you INSISTED i do!
after you left!
after this thread iv learnt that
1- you need to mark every hole you make
2 - if you dont have any snow put up a branch............somehow!
3 - when brigging a child out ice fishing make sure that theres no wholes and/or live wells with-in 10 km x 10 km . you never know maybe an IDIOT like me left an unmarked HOLE somewere.
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Good point, Jamsers...
Areas such as Petrie - no problem with snow mounds. Any other areas - make sure you are off the path of snowmachines...
Thanks for pointing that out.
Good Fishing,
Justin
Areas such as Petrie - no problem with snow mounds. Any other areas - make sure you are off the path of snowmachines...
Thanks for pointing that out.
Good Fishing,
Justin
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Ah James you just put a wee little angle on the mound and voila...a nice little jump to hit. I have hit my share on lakes but really on a lake is there a set trail??? Yes but people drive all over. Look at Clayton for an example. You try and point out the main trail on itJamsers wrote:Not to mention those lovely mounds of snow left can cause serious damage to sleds.
They are hard to see and can cause roll-overs.
My advice, don;t drill holes near where snowmobile trails need to go on the lakes.....PLEASE!
...Most lakes will have old xmas trees etc marking a path but it is a large open play structure for sleds.No Pete,
I realize that there are folks that bomb around and such on lakes.
My advice is that it is really easy to break a ski or flip a sled on those ice mounds. As the lake is there to be shared, I'd prefer to see a flag or something.
Now what I mean by trail is the smallish area between land points where there is obviously high snowmobile traffic. Just a matter of being polite & respecting other lake users (but I know nothing of that apparently! )
I think that if you see a big area (like 4'x4' that has been kicked out) it is obvious something is there and should be approached with caution. All sledders ask is that th "mounds" be flattened.
BTW I went to LeBarons to get some of those flag markers but they were sold out.... and can't order them either!
I realize that there are folks that bomb around and such on lakes.
My advice is that it is really easy to break a ski or flip a sled on those ice mounds. As the lake is there to be shared, I'd prefer to see a flag or something.
Now what I mean by trail is the smallish area between land points where there is obviously high snowmobile traffic. Just a matter of being polite & respecting other lake users (but I know nothing of that apparently!
)I think that if you see a big area (like 4'x4' that has been kicked out) it is obvious something is there and should be approached with caution. All sledders ask is that th "mounds" be flattened.
BTW I went to LeBarons to get some of those flag markers but they were sold out....
and can't order them either!