World Wide Web Impact on Fishing???

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Is the World Wide Web Hurting Our Fishery?

Yes
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No
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mmaangler wrote: Know exactly what you mean BA....By the way, me & some friends where fishing 1 point down from you the other day..

Then why the hell didn't you come over and help push me out of that snow bank :twisted: :P :lol: :lol:

What kind of vehicle were you driving???
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It's a joke BA! :lol:you know...fishing for info!
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Yeah i thought so ...didn't think you were going to drive all the way to Lake Simcoe
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Finally Lake XXX revealed! :)
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GREAT thread!

Those of us who are older will probably say that modern technology, including information technology, has had a HUGE impact on our fish and fisheries. Some positive (C&R comes to mind), a lot negative.

Once upon a time (I know this is hard for some of you to believe), pretty much nobody had any kind of electronics at all, and a fairly rudimentary "tackle box" full of mostly rusty old relics that had been hoarded from wherever they could be found. Fishing POLES as stiff as pool cues, reels loaded with unknown KING COIL line, etc etc. (A fellow once told me that he didn't know what people were all excited about POUND TEST. He had LINE, not POUND TEST.... :wink: ).

And most successful anglers paid some pretty serious dues in terms of time on the water, finding fish and testing presentations. Fishing magazines provided some information, both about locations and "how to" articles, and most of us learned a lot from older anglers.

We also did not catch that many fish, really! :roll:

Now, with the explosion of information and incredible gear technology, a person can be into some pretty spectacular fishing without having spent decades learning the ropes. If people choose to use the technology wisely, the fisheries are not harmed. If not........................... :(

On the open oceans of the world, some nations are determined to hoover up every last scrap of edible seafood before somebody else does it. It appears that large areas of the major oceans are being over-fished in such a manner that stocks of some species have collapsed, and more will collapse. Human greed is a mighty powerful thing, and it exists on an individual level as surely as it exists on a national fleet level. So there are vulnerable or fragile species and locations that should NEVER be divulged on a public forum, since in some cases "it only takes one" bad apple to spoil the lot.

But we can't put the genie back into the bottle, in this area nor any others of our existence, so I think the answer is to embrace the technology and try to set an example in what we do and say. And only trust guys like ME with those secret holes, I won't tell anybody! :D

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one thing 2 rember is this helps more people 2 go fishing and that is a good thing !! iam not shur if more or less people are buying fishing cards or not ?but one thing for shure is more people fishing = more money !! =better law enforcemnt = more fish stocking also more power to stop new laws comming in 2 restrict fishing fishing opportunitys or even CLOSE fishing ie:closing natural lak trout laks i doubt this would happen if 1,000 000 people rasied a fuss about this. so now we depend on the mnr 2 stock these lak meaning i now depent on other people 2 pay for this if thers no fisher men theres no money and we all know money rules the world sad but true !! thanks terry.
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tinman,

Unfortunately (in Ontario) the money from licences goes into the province's general revenue account rather than directly towards MNR activities. In fact the province has been whittling down the MNR's budget over the years, which can be seen in the fewer number of CO's, stockings, etc.

Sadly, Ontario has yet to realize that fishing is a multi-billion dollar industry and that the tax revenues generated by fishing related activites would greatly exceed any money that they invested.
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I am going to have to say that infact the WWW has helped our fisheries. Sure people may use the web to find 'secret' lakes, and such.

But in reality, before the web you would have had the same thing happen. People over heard a conversation about a lake, and then they tell everyone else about it. Stuff like this has been happening ever since the idea of a 'secret' ever existed.

I think that we should look beyond this, and instead look at the positives that the Web can bring to our fisheries.

The web is a great educational tool, and we can use the web to teach proper fish handling techniques, fishing techniques, information on invasive species...

I think that the benefits from the web outweigh the negatives, simply because the negatives associated with the web have always existed.
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I completely agree with saskie and with that I voted an absolute no. I think that if anything the www is helping educate people on how to conserve the fish population... Before the www was around the only way to find fishing spots would have been word of mouth, from someone who fishes to someone else who fishes..... So who would be online now-a-days looking for good fishing spots if they weren't already going to go out and fish? My point being if they are going to catch fish ... they are going to go catch fish, whatever lake they are on, and with or without the internet they might kill and take home a lot of fish from that spot.... A year ago, before I met Jasonb I had only ever been fishing once in my life and the 'fishing side of the internet' just didn't exist to me, so if anyone is going to go online to seek out good fishing spots they were going to go fishing anyways so what are we losing? Fish in one lake or your 'special' lake... If we are worried about conservation we should be focusing on commercial fishing.... I would love sport fishing to be around for future generations but seriously, won't the commercial fishing that's happening in the oceans affect our future generations more than bad sport fishing?
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great discussion so far, and it really is a matter of opinion. We can't say too much bad about the WWW because we are all guilty of surfing the web for info and discussion.....but

canmore wrote:
"But in reality, before the web you would have had the same thing happen. People over heard a conversation about a lake, and then they tell everyone else about it. Stuff like this has been happening ever since the idea of a 'secret' ever existed."

This is true, but how much easier is it to do a google search on any body of water? It takes someone a great deal longer to get info by word of mouth. And who knows if the guy is telling the truth? On the web do a search and look for simular info, chances are if more then one person is saying it theres probably something to it...


banannie wrote:
"So who would be online now-a-days looking for good fishing spots if they weren't already going to go out and fish? My point being if they are going to catch fish ... they are going to go catch fish, whatever lake they are on, and with or without the internet they might kill and take home a lot of fish from that spot..."

Some lakes can handle a lot more pressure than others, an example would be the number of guys that would love to go out and fish for trout...if info is posted about some little pot whole that holds these fish there is a chance it could be destroyed, so it does make a difference from one lake to the next, and whether a number of fish are kept from one lake or another.

"If we are worried about conservation we should be focusing on commercial fishing.... I would love sport fishing to be around for future generations but seriously, won't the commercial fishing that's happening in the oceans affect our future generations more than bad sport fishing?"

I dont know but I believe we should worry about conservation as a sport fishing community as much as we worry about the commercial fishery. If we all thought that we weren't going to hurt our fisheries because we are only sport fishermen than we would have some pretty terrible fisheries.

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well put orrsey... i really like the responses to this thread, and the way the voting is going... didn't think i'd get this much feedback...
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I don't think that you understood what exactly I was saying orrsey. Conservation is a subject that is very close to my heart, a few years ago I ran a small group of people who were all committed to saving a Japanese species of river dolphin which was extremely close to becoming completely extinct. But back to my point.. I really, really want those special little spots with lots of good quality fish to be there for future generations and I'm sure if they disappear from those spots being over-fished it will affect the 'good fishing' but my point is... with the internet educating so many people on how to help conserve I'm sure that although YOUR 'special spot' may be over-fished and not so special anymore, the species of fish that once thrived there are not endangered or extinct... there will always be another spot somewhere else with many good quality fish it's just a matter of finding it which is lots of fun anyways.... Just don't tell people about it this time. As for your second opinion on what I said... as I said earlier, I care so much about conservation.. It's something I have worked very hard my entire life to make happen so I obviously didn't mean what you thought I had said, it's just that commercial fishing is going to negatively affect so much more in the future of our planet than someone's special fishing spot being over-fished, you know what I mean? I never said we weren't going to hurt our fisheries... It could very well happen and I hope it doesn't so we should do all we can to stop that from happening. This thread is about if the internet is negatively affecting our fisheries not if we care about conservation or not. (BTW - if I happened to offend anyone in my two posts in this thread, I absolutely DID NOT mean to, it's just a little bit difficult to get my point across in a way that makes sense without sounding so...)
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What information can't you get on the big ''W'' these days really! Now, when
people are getting into delicate treads such as this one....none is wrong because it all depends on how you see things.

Obviously we know allready the answer to the question ''is it hurting our fisheries''....no and yes.....no sides win here.

Let's just say and hope it educate anglers in positive ways like it did for me way back. So much is about conservation lately that none can go pass that. There is not a single angler surfing the net that can avoid reading about conservation messages at one point. So, I would say the Web is doing it's job to do just that.

Now, about sharing information, and mostly Hot spots well I guess there will never be aggreements on this one also!!

Some takes lots and lots of prides in finding and keeping hot spots a secret....they have all rights to do so. The tricky part here is the fact that they take even more pride showing off what they can get off special hot spots....they have the right to do that also.

But, they can't in the other hand keep other anglers from getting to those spots at one point and write about it and reveal location. They will know you are fishing there hot spots and will probably let you know about it unhappy of course.

I have never try to hide any of the place I have fished before and never will. That's me.

Now since I have my old Jon Boat back in 2009 I will get to fish all Gatineau Park largemouth bass
lake holders and will post about with names of lakes. I will do the same with all upper Gatineau lakes from Ottawa to Maniwaki.

Now if you ask me am I affraid to have all the lakes I will report on doomed because of me revealing there locations.....not for a second!
If I was fishing walleyes though....it would be different!.

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Post by jsdx »

Good question ... I'd say, our chance on agreeing on an answer is the same as for previous versions of the question

Depending on how old you are :D you'll recall all of these...

add "hurting our fisheries" on the end of each of these

Is catch and release ...
Are underwater fish-video cameras ...
Are fish - finders ...
Are GPS units ...
Are big bass boats ...
Are electric motors ...
Is live bait ...
Are gas motors ...
Are snowmobiles ...
Is trolling for muskie with *motors* ... (surprise, illegal in some places)
Is spearing ...

and probably many more ...

For a sport I use to relax, avoid arguments and just take it easy ... pretty controversial :D :D :D

I'd answer is "it depends" ...
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Depending on how old you are Very Happy you'll recall all of these...

add "hurting our fisheries" on the end of each of these

Is catch and release ...
Are underwater fish-video cameras ...
Are fish - finders ...
Are GPS units ...
Are big bass boats ...
Are electric motors ...
Is live bait ...
Are gas motors ...
Are snowmobiles ...
Is trolling for muskie with *motors* ... (surprise, illegal in some places)
Is spearing ...

and probably many more ...
hehe good point......[/quote]
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