New Lowrance HDS - Screen Images

[Priorguy]

Sheldon....

Any idea as to the average price rage per model? Also, I wish I had all those arcs on my LX15...wow.. fish on...

[RJ]

In the BPS Toronto Spring Fishing Sale flyer....

The HDS 5 was $829...the HDS 7 was $1099....

Pure Insanity...

[Priorguy]

That pretty much equals divorce.. haha

[eye-tracker]

RJ is right, it is Pure Insanity...

Lets look at the HDS 5 - The pricing is insanely conservative considering a LMS 525C retailed for $800 last year and the Sounder-1 Broadband Sounder was $799.

All the HDS units have built-n Broadband Sounder this year, so the digital sounding quality is like nothing else on the market and Lowrance managed to keep the price almost the same while adding $799 broadband sounder technology.

-sheldon

[Stubble Jumper]

I purchased an HDS 7 at the boat show from Le Baron. Checked around and the deal they had at the boat show was no tax and 10% off with the Le Baron card. This was the best deal I could find. Figured I saved between $150 and 200$. The rep also said there were Product Emulators on the Lowrance site. I went there but the ones for the HD series are not up yet. Sheldon, do you think you might be giving a seminar on these any time soon. I know I would be very interested in going.

[eye-tracker]

I purchased an HDS 7 at the boat show from Le Baron. Checked around and the deal they had at the boat show was no tax and 10% off with the Le Baron card. This was the best deal I could find. Figured I saved between $150 and 200$. The rep also said there were Product Emulators on the Lowrance site. I went there but the ones for the HD series are not up yet. Sheldon, do you think you might be giving a seminar on these any time soon. I know I would be very interested in going.

No emulators yet, I have not be told when they will be available from Lowrance. I was the guy at the LeBaron booth in a Green and White G-Loomis shirt, you should have asked me to give you a demo of the Lowrance HDS 7 and all the new features. Great unit you picked up, we sold out of all the units in stock at the show!

Yes I will be giving a seminar on the HDS units and also some other sonar/gps topics. Once I have the dates confirmed I will post them on the site.

-sheldon

[eye-tracker]

I also forgot to mention the HDS units HD broadband sounders produce an analog equivalent 30,000 Watts Peak-to-Peak / 3750 Watts RMS.

-sheldon

[Jimmay]

I also forgot to mention the HDS units HD broadband sounders produce an analog equivalent 30,000 Watts Peak-to-Peak / 3750 Watts RMS.

-sheldon

There is something wrong with those numbers. RMS is 70.7% of 1/2 of peak-to-peak. In other words, 30,000 W pk-pk should give 10,605 W RMS or 3750 W RMS should be 10,608 W pk-pk. On top of that, assuming a 12V system, then this thing will draw 312.5 Amps when operating. Me thinks the marketing department is taking a few liberties here.

[eye-tracker]

I also forgot to mention the HDS units HD broadband sounders produce an analog equivalent 30,000 Watts Peak-to-Peak / 3750 Watts RMS.

-sheldon

There is something wrong with those numbers. RMS is 70.7% of 1/2 of peak-to-peak. In other words, 30,000 W pk-pk should give 10,605 W RMS or 3750 W RMS should be 10,608 W pk-pk. On top of that, assuming a 12V system, then this thing will draw 312.5 Amps when operating. Me thinks the marketing department is taking a few liberties here.

Because the broadband sounders signal is digital the numbers above are the analog equivalent sonar power performance in RMS and peak-to-peak.

I am not sure how the calculation is made once they convert to analog equivalent. It seems the digital sonar power is 250 Watts Peek to Peek and 32 Watts RMS.

-sheldon

[Joey Rat]

Green and white Loomis shirt You look different without the hat.
Of course so does Dave Mercer. I didn't clue in when you said you were primarily a walleye guy. How's that for thick .

We talked (big guy, yellow Shimano hat), I was looking at the Loomis crankbait rod. You were right better deal at the store but I'm still looking.

May have to cut back on rod and reel purchases if I want one of those HD7s.

So is side imaging on the horizon.

[eye-tracker]

So is side imaging on the horizon.

Yes, Lowrance is going to introduce an add-on transducer that will allow Side-Viewing on the HDS units. It will be released sometime this summer.

Here is a post I made when the news was released to to public...

http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... de+viewing

-sheldon

[Jimmay]

I also forgot to mention the HDS units HD broadband sounders produce an analog equivalent 30,000 Watts Peak-to-Peak / 3750 Watts RMS.

-sheldon

There is something wrong with those numbers. RMS is 70.7% of 1/2 of peak-to-peak. In other words, 30,000 W pk-pk should give 10,605 W RMS or 3750 W RMS should be 10,608 W pk-pk. On top of that, assuming a 12V system, then this thing will draw 312.5 Amps when operating. Me thinks the marketing department is taking a few liberties here.

Because the broadband sounders signal is digital the numbers above are the analog equivalent sonar power performance in RMS and peak-to-peak.

I am not sure how the calculation is made once they convert to analog equivalent. It seems the digital sonar power is 250 Watts Peek to Peek and 32 Watts RMS.

-sheldon

There is still a problem with the conversion from W pk-pk to W RMS, but at 32W RMS then the unit will draw 2A. This seems correct.

[ady]

Always interesting reading when people get technical. I think the ads put out by sonar companies is very misleading; previous posts confirm this. There is a confusion here in watts (power consumption) and watts (sound energy put into the water). It would be much better for companies to use dBm or dBa when talking about the transducer performance. A 3dB increase in sonar output (source level) is significant as a sales pitch and easier to understand for budding scientists and mathemticians. Rightly said above, 3kW at the transducer in power would melt the transducer and probably boil water - momentarily - and flatten your battery real quick; this is obviously not the case. RMS as %70.7 only applies to a sine wave and sonar units ping momentarily at a set rate so RMS will be a lot lower than %70.7 of Peak. Obviously there is a lot of hidden information that we don't know about these sonar units, ping duration, repeat rate etc that we need to know to make sense of these power ratings. Just stick with "more is better" and you'll be fine. More energy put into the water will give you better definition, more consistency and detection for different water depths and boat speeds.

[Erie-Eyes]

I purchased an HDS 7 at the boat show from Le Baron. Checked around and the deal they had at the boat show was no tax and 10% off with the Le Baron card. This was the best deal I could find. Figured I saved between $150 and 200$. The rep also said there were Product Emulators on the Lowrance site. I went there but the ones for the HD series are not up yet. Sheldon, do you think you might be giving a seminar on these any time soon. I know I would be very interested in going.

I see someone- is getting serious about giving my boat some competition this season - congrats on the new purchase Stubble Jumper - its looking like you Snowbird, and our friend Mike and I (the old retired dudes) are going to have a FUN SEASON.

[eye-tracker]

Just stick with "more is better" and you'll be fine. More energy put into the water will give you better definition, more consistency and detection for different water depths and boat speeds.

Ady,
Well said...one thing I have learned over the past few years is to stay away for the science side of sonars or even GPS technology. As a computer software engineer I could never explain to a computer user why object oriented programming or user interface design is important. I just mention how the application makes their task easier.

The new HDS Broadband Sounder is very powerful and it is great to see this technology available in the new units for all anglers to enjoy.

-sheldon