Careful Riverkiller,I do know of some folks that intentionally fish species out of season
If you think folks are squeaky clean,you better take your shades off
Out of Season Fishing is alive and well
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I think it's discusting that a government body would let a tournament organisation fish before the season opener which we all know must not be good for the fisheries.
This also does not say much for that tournament organisation and thier members to want to be fishing before the season opens. It would be much easier to set the tournament dates a couple of weeks into the season. It may be a legal exemption but it woud have the same effects as poaching.
I know we have had that same problem with the Lefaivre torunament on the bass opener here as every year we see a bunch of pro's bass fishing before the bass season opens.
And yes I did say pro's poaching as not many weekend anglers will be out just days before a big tournament in fully rigged bass boats. This is during the week so it's not Johnny weekend. And it's obvious they are not fishing for pike.
And I am one of those hard core muskie fisherman that refuses to go fish for pike before the muskie season opens just in case I may get into a muskie or two.
Lets hope enough of an uproar happens here to make the Quebec MNR wake up.
This also does not say much for that tournament organisation and thier members to want to be fishing before the season opens. It would be much easier to set the tournament dates a couple of weeks into the season. It may be a legal exemption but it woud have the same effects as poaching.
I know we have had that same problem with the Lefaivre torunament on the bass opener here as every year we see a bunch of pro's bass fishing before the bass season opens.
And yes I did say pro's poaching as not many weekend anglers will be out just days before a big tournament in fully rigged bass boats. This is during the week so it's not Johnny weekend. And it's obvious they are not fishing for pike.
And I am one of those hard core muskie fisherman that refuses to go fish for pike before the muskie season opens just in case I may get into a muskie or two.
Lets hope enough of an uproar happens here to make the Quebec MNR wake up.
Catch and release them all
Richard Collin
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Wow...not surprisingly...loads of opinions here.....and I'll say all are more than valid...
I guess I'll share mine....
Some background on why this has happened in my eyes is relevant to the issue....the way I see it is the following:
Organizers erred and made the assumption that the season would be open as it has in the past years which in this case would be the 2nd weekend in June which would have left the participants a week to legally pre-fish for the event....BUT....the QMNR pushed season back to the 3rd week of June which left the participants no time to pre-fish legally....
That was a real tough break for this event....but organisers should have waited until the Regs were in place......
Being that the event has only 70 teams of a 200 boat field filled I can guess this push was put on so guys who were holding back from entering the event due to not having even been on the stretch of the river before may now sign up to fish the event as they can now get out on the water a week before the tournament now....
That's the nuts and bolts of the deal...now...how the organisers have negotiated with the QMNR to make this happen I have no idea....likely by selling the "tourist" dollar angle....and they have apparently made the concession to allow bass fishing before the season officially opens....Good question posed by a few...Does this apply to everyone or just participants?
My Opinion?......I don't agree with it at all....and it has very little to do with the "spawning" bass.....the season in past years has been inclusive of the week they have opened with no ill effect on the fishery from what I'm told of the area...(I've never fished there so I'm going on others word)...the fish will be fine....
What I do think this does is send "tournament" fisherman to a whole new level of perceived priviledged anglers...because of the odd bad apple we get labelled as jackasses on the water....ignorant and do anything for a buck competitor....while some may be like that I can assure you that 99% are not....we are simply guys and gals (right Crystal) who are out for some mostly friendly competition....
My "tournament angler" opinion....this request sets us back even more in the eyes of everyone else who doesn't fish tournaments....and that is a mistake in my eyes....Who do we think we are?
RJ
I guess I'll share mine....
Some background on why this has happened in my eyes is relevant to the issue....the way I see it is the following:
Organizers erred and made the assumption that the season would be open as it has in the past years which in this case would be the 2nd weekend in June which would have left the participants a week to legally pre-fish for the event....BUT....the QMNR pushed season back to the 3rd week of June which left the participants no time to pre-fish legally....
That was a real tough break for this event....but organisers should have waited until the Regs were in place......
Being that the event has only 70 teams of a 200 boat field filled I can guess this push was put on so guys who were holding back from entering the event due to not having even been on the stretch of the river before may now sign up to fish the event as they can now get out on the water a week before the tournament now....
That's the nuts and bolts of the deal...now...how the organisers have negotiated with the QMNR to make this happen I have no idea....likely by selling the "tourist" dollar angle....and they have apparently made the concession to allow bass fishing before the season officially opens....Good question posed by a few...Does this apply to everyone or just participants?
My Opinion?......I don't agree with it at all....and it has very little to do with the "spawning" bass.....the season in past years has been inclusive of the week they have opened with no ill effect on the fishery from what I'm told of the area...(I've never fished there so I'm going on others word)...the fish will be fine....
What I do think this does is send "tournament" fisherman to a whole new level of perceived priviledged anglers...because of the odd bad apple we get labelled as jackasses on the water....ignorant and do anything for a buck competitor....while some may be like that I can assure you that 99% are not....we are simply guys and gals (right Crystal) who are out for some mostly friendly competition....
My "tournament angler" opinion....this request sets us back even more in the eyes of everyone else who doesn't fish tournaments....and that is a mistake in my eyes....Who do we think we are?
RJ
Money Talks, BS Walks... 
So if you have enough money you can influence the law by way of special privilege to suit your personal whim.
The season opener dates were set using scientific fact. Pull a bass off the nest, the panfish will have the eggs devoured very quickly. Release the bass, the nest is already destroyed. This scientific fact is for the common good.
In this case, $$$$ influence is ahead of scientific fact and common good.
So my vote is a solid NO.
If this were in Ontario, I would pursue it a lot further than a vote on FH.
The solution is so obvious - Hold the tournament the 2nd week and pre-fish the first week in season.
So if you have enough money you can influence the law by way of special privilege to suit your personal whim.
The season opener dates were set using scientific fact. Pull a bass off the nest, the panfish will have the eggs devoured very quickly. Release the bass, the nest is already destroyed. This scientific fact is for the common good.
In this case, $$$$ influence is ahead of scientific fact and common good.
So my vote is a solid NO.
If this were in Ontario, I would pursue it a lot further than a vote on FH.
The solution is so obvious - Hold the tournament the 2nd week and pre-fish the first week in season.
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I might get lambasted for this, but I am one of the three who voted Yes.
I say yes with an *;
Lake of the Woods allows catch and release bass fishing until the opener and have studies that support that there is no detrimental impact on the bass population.
If that is true, catch and release until after the spawn. I am not a scientist nor an ecologist... likely not terribly bright. If the ones that did the studies at Lake of The Woods are correct, then why not catch and release?
I do listen to and obey the law. I have snow tires and I do not talk on the phone while I drive... just because it is illegal, not because I think it is wrong.
I will NOT target OOS fish, I will not fish with someone who is targeting OOS fish. (Specifically bass)... only because it is illegal, not because I think it is wrong.
I say yes with an *;
Lake of the Woods allows catch and release bass fishing until the opener and have studies that support that there is no detrimental impact on the bass population.
If that is true, catch and release until after the spawn. I am not a scientist nor an ecologist... likely not terribly bright. If the ones that did the studies at Lake of The Woods are correct, then why not catch and release?
I do listen to and obey the law. I have snow tires and I do not talk on the phone while I drive... just because it is illegal, not because I think it is wrong.
I will NOT target OOS fish, I will not fish with someone who is targeting OOS fish. (Specifically bass)... only because it is illegal, not because I think it is wrong.
Here's a link to real science that says that nests and eggs are predated...
http://www.carleton.ca/fecpl/C&R_papers.html
Excerpted... from http://www.flyfishohio.com/Catch_and_Release_Impact.htm
with source derived from the Carleton University Studies...
"Angling and the reproductive period.
The benefits of minimizing stress during reproductive activity are obvious – increased offspring to contribute to subsequent year classes. Studies of largemouth bass found that removal of males from the nest quickly resulted in predation of the unprotected offspring. Even after returning to the nest, males exhibited impaired swimming behavior for the next 24 hours, and provided less care to surviving offspring. Studies also suggest that largemouth bass caught immediately prior to the spawning period in a simulated bass tournament format produced fewer and smaller offspring.
Recommendation: Based upon the negative consequences associated with angling during the reproductive period, it is only prudent to avoid capturing fish during the reproductive period."
http://www.carleton.ca/fecpl/C&R_papers.html
Excerpted... from http://www.flyfishohio.com/Catch_and_Release_Impact.htm
with source derived from the Carleton University Studies...
"Angling and the reproductive period.
The benefits of minimizing stress during reproductive activity are obvious – increased offspring to contribute to subsequent year classes. Studies of largemouth bass found that removal of males from the nest quickly resulted in predation of the unprotected offspring. Even after returning to the nest, males exhibited impaired swimming behavior for the next 24 hours, and provided less care to surviving offspring. Studies also suggest that largemouth bass caught immediately prior to the spawning period in a simulated bass tournament format produced fewer and smaller offspring.
Recommendation: Based upon the negative consequences associated with angling during the reproductive period, it is only prudent to avoid capturing fish during the reproductive period."
You fellows are stirring a pot that doesn't require any further turning.It seems that the B1 Tournament advertised on this site has secured an agreement to allow pre-fishing before the season is open.
The Organizers have received a permit that allows for the change. It happens all the time so what's the big deal?
Regardless our personal take on the matter the powers that be decided to allow the change!!!!
Go fight a war you can win.
I really like Joco's idea about river clean up - it serves a so much more valuable purpose and we can control the result.
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fishing out of season
Branford Do you honestly believe that most of the teams that register for the June 27 (bass opening) South Eastern Bass Open will not have prefished White Lake before then If you believe that i have a good deal on some swamp land.Take any weekend day in june an spend a day on the lake then tell us about not prefishing out of season.That is why i believe no club should have a tourn opening weekend.Fishing clubs should be setting a good example.
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fishing out of season
Branford Do you honestly believe that most of the teams that register for the June 27 (bass opening) South Eastern Bass Open will not have prefished White Lake before then If you believe that i have a good deal on some swamp land.Take any weekend day in june an spend a day on the lake then tell us about not prefishing out of season.That is why i believe no club should have a tourn opening weekend.Fishing clubs should be setting a good example.
I have complete confidence in the Quebec biologists managing this issue.
Government is often criticized for being slow to respond, and in some cases unable to act because of the layers of bureaucracy involved with anything remotely controversial, so I’m actually very impressed that they moved so quickly to support this event!
Government is often criticized for being slow to respond, and in some cases unable to act because of the layers of bureaucracy involved with anything remotely controversial, so I’m actually very impressed that they moved so quickly to support this event!
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Out4trout wrote:Here's a link to real science that says that nests and eggs are predated...
http://www.carleton.ca/fecpl/C&R_papers.html
Excerpted... from http://www.flyfishohio.com/Catch_and_Release_Impact.htm
with source derived from the Carleton University Studies...
"Angling and the reproductive period.
The benefits of minimizing stress during reproductive activity are obvious – increased offspring to contribute to subsequent year classes. Studies of largemouth bass found that removal of males from the nest quickly resulted in predation of the unprotected offspring. Even after returning to the nest, males exhibited impaired swimming behavior for the next 24 hours, and provided less care to surviving offspring. Studies also suggest that largemouth bass caught immediately prior to the spawning period in a simulated bass tournament format produced fewer and smaller offspring.
Recommendation: Based upon the negative consequences associated with angling during the reproductive period, it is only prudent to avoid capturing fish during the reproductive period."
Lots of studies out there... and I think to err on the side of caution is the way to go... but I also think that there is room to look into other theories and studies;
This one from the Indiana division of Fish and Wildlife is quite interesting;
http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/Ba ... _Final.pdf
The Michigan Department of Natural Resources (They kind of raise more questions than they answer);
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-15 ... --,00.html
Not certain on this guys credibility... but he does site official findings...; http://www.jimporter.org/articles/article111.shtml
Again.... I do think that the law needs to be respected, but sometimes we do need to ask if a law is just and reasonable. If you have 10 studies that say C&R is OK and one from Carleton that says its not... well... draw your own conclusions.
Carleton and Real Science...
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Thanks Pat!pmilot wrote:You guys are pathetic. No one is fishing out of season, the MNR is amending the dates for the season opener for that body of water. FOR EVERYONE!!!
This amendment is for everyone, not just the anglers of the B1.
Grow up...
And there you have it folks.....season is open early for everyone. Now go get all those knots out of your panties!
Ah yes.....have to wonder about those studies at "Last Chance U".cprince wrote:Out4trout wrote:Again.... I do think that the law needs to be respected, but sometimes we do need to ask if a law is just and reasonable. If you have 10 studies that say C&R is OK and one from Carleton that says its not... well... draw your own conclusions.
Carleton and Real Science...
Carleton University.......where the K stands for Quality!