Berkley B1 - Pre-Fish Period Now Extended

Post by **Trophymuskie** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:03 pm

Why would conservation minded people and their opinion be bad for F-H?

Supporting this amendment in the fishing regulations for a single tournament organisation will do a lot more damage.

I wonder who's next. I bet many more are lining up to rape the resources.

Post by **Wallyboss** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:15 pm

Erasing this thread would defeat the purpose of F-H. This is a public forum and it is to get the view of the public and supposedly we are notorious for that. People do not have to come on F-H they just decide to, Some have even tried to stay away, but couldn't.
I am not saying that I am for or against this change to the Regs, The regulations are supposed to be in to help the fish not the fisherman. But on the other hand it was okay for opening day last year but not this year??? Seems like even with the earlier date put forward by Que. MNR it is still later than last years date.

Post by **marc Thorpe** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:19 pm

If we keep it civil and respectful, the threads should remain up as they are issue that impact the general angling public,in other words 800 000 anglers and FH members and contributors

Post by **Muskie4L** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:15 pm

As long as it remains clean with no personal attacks it will stay active, I think it's a great thread!

Post by **marc Thorpe** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:49 pm

I spoke with various departments including the one that was consulted,seems some important information and factors were omitted.
So a letter of revision will be sent along with the support of several organization which I have had communications about this event

Unfortunately a decision was made without all the information and factors considered

Not surprising given the lack of experience in the organization of this event

Post by **Charles_Sim** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:56 pm

Thought I'd add my comments to this thread...word travels fast around the interent...

Obviously being a competitor in the event, I may be a little biased, but I'm also very conscious of fishing regulations, and abiding by them.

As mentioned, I believe the two catalysts in this situation were the event dates being announced, and the season opening a week later than last year.

I think the organizers did the best thing they could by contacting the MRNF.

Having seen the letter from the MRNF, I can confirm the season is slated to open 4 days earlier than scheduled as a C&R season for everyone holding a fishing permit, resident or non-resident, in zone 8, competitor or non-competitor. Not a special season for only tournament anglers, but for everyone.

As for what information was or was not presented to the MRNF I can't comment on that as I don't know, but whatever it was, it must have been enough to for them to see benefit in the minor adjustment. I don't know what information could have been left out that would prevent the decision.

Having grown up in Montreal, and fished the surrounding waters, I think this event may have many positive factors, including, but not limited to:

- demonstrating some of the great fishing Quebec has to offer to those outside the area...for those that haven't fished in Lac St. Louis is a great fishery...just watch out for the rocks

- bringing in a little bit of tourist $$ into the area during the event, and possibly via residual visits.
- exposing some people to joys of fishing and the benefits of C&R that otherwise might not have had it... if one kid in the crowd on one day of the tournament gets bit by the fishing bug... I'm happy.

With the adjusted C&R season being open to everyone, and the dates basically coinciding to what they were last year, I'm not sure what people are up in arms about?

Charles

Post by **marc Thorpe** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:54 am

Charles I respect your view and support for this change

If I am not mistaken,you have family in Montreal so I suspect you will be staying with them so that would mean minimizing cost for you and minimizing economic impact
Currently there are 52 resident participants and 18 non residents
So the economic impact will be minimal

Montreal lost the grand prix and as far as I know Montreal will survive,I doubt that a tourney with special privilege will have any impact and it will be so minimal that it surely wont be felt by any community

Like I stated too many factors the gov was not aware of and info that was withheld
I spoke with several departments yesterday as I have worked in collaboration for 20 years with them

Post by **Charles_Sim** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:38 am

Marc,

You're right, I do have family in MTL, I hope they'll be attending the event, and perhaps even volunteering. But your assumption is wrong, I have all my motels booked already, as I have for the last 3 events on Lac St. Louis.

The economic impact may be minimal in the big picture, but it won't be negative, and that makes it a positive, even if it's a little one. I know the motel owners I use are pretty positive about it.

You keep saying, "a tourney with special privilege", which is a very negative spin on the situation, and there is no special privilege for anyone... a user group lobbied for a change, a change was made that all user groups benefit from. Pretty much win-win if you ask me.

User groups get things changed all the time that affect the public, everytime a ramp is closed for an event (canoe Race, etc.), or a street is blocked for a bike race or something. It's not that big of a deal. And in this case, it doesn't affect the public.

I'd like to know what you feel the factors and info are that you believe was withheld from the govt?

I'm also interested in knowing, now that we know this change applies to everyone, what you feel is wrong/negative with this change, and why it has you up in arms?

I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from in all this.

On a side note... I'm looking forward to trying to land a Trout or two this weekend in and around MTL!

Charles

Post by **CNs** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:07 am

Charles_Sim wrote:Marc,

You're right, I do have family in MTL, I hope they'll be attending the event, and perhaps even volunteering. But your assumption is wrong, I have all my motels booked already, as I have for the last 3 events on Lac St. Louis.

The economic impact may be minimal in the big picture, but it won't be negative, and that makes it a positive, even if it's a little one. I know the motel owners I use are pretty positive about it.

You keep saying, "a tourney with special privilege", which is a very negative spin on the situation, and there is no special privilege for anyone... a user group lobbied for a change, a change was made that all user groups benefit from. Pretty much win-win if you ask me.

User groups get things changed all the time that affect the public, everytime a ramp is closed for an event (canoe Race, etc.), or a street is blocked for a bike race or something. It's not that big of a deal. And in this case, it doesn't affect the public.

I'd like to know what you feel the factors and info are that you believe was withheld from the govt?

I'm also interested in knowing, now that we know this change applies to everyone, what you feel is wrong/negative with this change, and why it has you up in arms?

I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from in all this.

On a side note... I'm looking forward to trying to land a Trout or two this weekend in and around MTL!

Charles

WELL SAID CHARLES!

I too have been wondering why marc has been so upset with all of this.

No one is being given an advantage here. So how can this be a bad thing?

Marc several times you have made mentioned about things left out. Time to step up and tell us.

It is just not good enough for you to wave a piece of paper and say there are names on a list ( if you miss the reference look up joe mccarthy, heres a link read the second paragraph -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy ).

marc it is time to substantiate your claims.

Post by **RIVERKILLER** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:49 am

well said Charles !!! Nice to have you weigh in and give an opinion from the other side of the fence .And to Marc ..... no comment?? hmmmm

Post by **pmilot** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:01 pm

Nothing was left out.

Post by **marc Thorpe** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:53 pm

Charles with all due respect,I am taking this up with the people at the ministry that were consulted and the manager that authorized it
Biologically and scientifically and and legally why the law must be upheld

You have financial vested interest I dont

The support against this by the public and several organization including bass fisherman,has allowed for a revision of this decision to be placed forth.

Just like you guys,we will let the government make the final decision
When the decision is made, they will explain why a final decision is made

the only people I have to prove anything to why this decison goes against the well being of the resource is the ministry ,which is what I and other will do
Its what I have done for 20 years
If cannot understand why and all the reasons people oppose this,I cannot do any better

In regards to financial impact, 50% of the guys will be eliminated the first day and pack it in and go home. End of incoming money
Congrats on your contribution for your lodging

I respect your point of view ,I just dont agree
Just like the organizer did,he made a request,so have I
We will see how this un-folds by end of May

Till then enjoy your fishing and good luck
Some mighty nice trout around Montreal

I do wish you the best of luck at this event and to all that participate

Post by **troutnmuskiehunter** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:18 pm

nicely worded Marc and please keep us updated....

Post by **Bass Addict** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:51 pm

With all do respect Marc.........

Your worrying a bit too much ,

Post by **hawgbass** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:16 pm

Well folkâ€™s, I wasn't going to comment on this thread anymore after my last reply.
With all due respect Marc.......... Here are the potential facts on the economic impact this event could potentially have on the Montreal area.
You made reference to half the field being eliminated after day one. This is true. Now letâ€™s back up a bit. Most competitors will be arriving (out of town) probably Sunday if not coming further out from the Maritimes, maybe even Saturday afternoon. Now most competitors will be there for the duration which would include 3 - 4 1/2 days pre-fishing including local competitors. Gas for the boat each day., could range from $60 - 80.00 or more, depending on how much running they do and depending on the gas prices at the time. As springs is now here, so they will probably go up to close to a buck a litre or more, I'm hoping not. Now you take in the first day expenses of the tournament, full tank of fuel (most big boats will probably take $60 - 120.00, depending on what's in the tank when they fill it. Secondly, not all competitors (only local) will leave that night; they will either wait until after the competition Sunday, or leave Sunday morning. So that would mean on the average, 7 nights accommodations, plus meals, lunches, beverages and extra's. I pretty positive that the numbers for this event will be in the 100's come tournament time, so Marc do the math.. minimal economic impact...I don't think so. Cheers, Frank
PS Charles: I couldnâ€™t stay away.

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Berkley B1 - Pre-Fish Period Now Extended

Nice post Charles