Too Much Prop

[CNs]

Mr J just from the photo and knowing Legends your motor is at least one hole and possibly two holes too low.


How if you bought the tabs to get a better hole shot you may have spent money needlessly.

If you bought the tabs to slow your self down trolling have you heard of sea bags or drift socks???

Lifting the motor will do two things, make the boat perform better and make it idle better. also incresae rpm which would mean more speed.



All of these recommendations are less expensive than tabs.

Just a thought

I believe that the boat came with the tabs. Easier for a dealer to sell aftermarket parts ($$$$$$$) that actually move the motor or set the boat up correctly (no $$$$$$)

[lifeisfun]

Norm you're funny

So lifeisfun you have them installed on your boat????
Why and what was the cost???

Obviously you haven't seen my Gambler

http://www.gamblerbassboats.com/TAC.html

Have been running them for 4 years now.

I have driven lots of boats with tabs and have installed lots of tabs on boats.

My point is why spend money needlessly.

Get the boat to a professional first so they can make that determination instead of a neophyte who reads about a product and may have no experience with that product at all. This here internet is full of overnight experts with anecdotal solutions I have found who like to give advice based on a feeling, what's that worth to the guy with the problem. Is it your money???

My point is this,

Is the motor at the rigth height first????

Does the motor get to full rpm?????

Fundamentally the first questions a good marine mechanic will ask.

Things you did not ask FIRST

The first solutions a salesman or parts guy will make is to sell the customer something he may not need nor want. What good is that for the customer???Nada
It's good for the salesman or parts guy, commission.

I'm more interested in getting the problem fixed rather than bandaiding it up.

I have experimented with tabs for some years now on boats that had design flaws and yes tabs worked.

I'm not saying they won't, I am saying that in this case they may not be the solution right now.

Thats not what you said you automatically said There's no power boat that would not benefit with tabs installed


I have driven more boats possibly than you and lots don't need them and aren't necessary and would be an added expense. Are you going to buy them for seabass 81 and install them too. That would be big of you....

I have driven offshore boats with dual sterndrives and tabs and yes they are needed and necesary in that instance but this is not that type of instance.

I have driven big cruisers and lots have tabs but lots don't why because they don't need them by design.

Possibly the total cost of these tabs would be in the neighbourhood of $200 plus installation and if the motor is too low and not getting to WOT rpm like seabass81 said then is this really the solution or even necessary now. Maybe not.

So your advice maybe good but not quite right for this situation.

It's a bass boat and I don't think seabass81 is wanting to troll. Knowing Nitro's and they way most boats have been set-up my first instincts are to look at the simple things first and if that does not work then yes tabs would be the way to go.

But to automatically say he needs tabs maybe wrong.

Like I said my Gambler comes with them and they do make a difference as I can plane the boat in 20 feet and I can maintain plane at 1700rpm which no other bass boat can.

So I'm not saying you are wrong lifeisfun but you maybe mistaken.

Is that what you were worried about, Norm.

Yes indeed life is fun

Yes I have them installed on all three boats ( one with smart tabs and other two with hydraulic tabs) and would do it again
Do more research that's all I can say !
Once again there is no power boat that would not benefit installing tabs
Have fun

[lifeisfun]

Mr J just from the photo and knowing Legends your motor is at least one hole and possibly two holes too low.


How if you bought the tabs to get a better hole shot you may have spent money needlessly.

If you bought the tabs to slow your self down trolling have you heard of sea bags or drift socks???

Lifting the motor will do two things, make the boat perform better and make it idle better. also incresae rpm which would mean more speed.



All of these recommendations are less expensive than tabs.

Just a thought

I believe that the boat came with the tabs. Easier for a dealer to sell aftermarket parts ($$$$$$$) that actually move the motor or set the boat up correctly (no $$$$$$)

Sure, those few bucks will make them rich !

[Mr.J.]

Yup

Boat came with them

Ok so how does someone raise a 400lb motor?

[Seabass81]

Well I finaly got out for a good run. At WOT I am running 4700 rpm. I am at my minimum. holeshot sucks but believe it or not my top speed was 45MPH!!!! I will have to sacrifce a few of those but ah well.Talking to a Lund prostaffer and his 225hp is only running 55mph. I dont feel as bad!

[mikemicropterus]

Mr j with the right equipment, a sky hook.
Life is fun should know what that is.

I have a tool that screws into the flywheel of your motor, so should your dealer.

So life is fun I should install tabs on my 14 ft fisherman,
I should install tabs on my 12 ft car topper
I should install tabs without the boat being properly set-up

I guess my 20 plus years of marine experience isn't enough research

Oh by the way it is not an anti-cavitation plate, it's anti-ventilation plate,
do some more research and you will see the error you made

I still would not install them without proper set-up and would not waste a customer's money needlessly.

The only reason it would make a boat go faster is that it changes the attitude of the boat with respect to the way it runs on the water and that can be attained through proper set-up without tabs.

In Mr J's case the motor is too low right from the dealer, so don't address that problem just install them and compensate for the poor set-up. I don't see how that makes sense. :hs

My Gambler goes faster without the tabs touching the water at WOT and at full speed they are fully retracted and if deployed decrease speed because they increase wetted area and cause drag thus decreasing speed.

That physics and I don't know how anyone can argue with gravity :hs but I guess some will.

The tabs on my Gambler are used to plane the boat quickly and keep it on plane at slow speeds and run better in really rough water. The boat was designed by an engineer with years of experience and lots of research. Lots of bass boats don't have tabs and still plane quickly, but Gambler's utilise them for two purposes to maintain plane at slow speeds and to allow the boat to perform better in rough water. So they do have their use but to categorically say "Once again there is no power boat that would not benefit installing tabs" is too ludicrous.

I think these comments will fall on deaf ears alas


Life is fun you are an expert at hydrodynamics also, I didn't realise you were such an expert in the marine world. Do you work for a marine dealer also?? Sorry for being so myoptic about your experience

Amazing how the internet does that to people. :hs

Give a man to fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime, give him a blackberry and a toilet seat and well you know what you get......Life is truly fun

Sometimes I amuse myself

[lifeisfun]

Mr j with the right equipment, a sky hook.
Life is fun should know what that is.

I have a tool that screws into the flywheel of your motor, so should your dealer.

So life is fun I should install tabs on my 14 ft fisherman,
I should install tabs on my 12 ft car topper
I should install tabs without the boat being properly set-up

I guess my 20 plus years of marine experience isn't enough research

Oh by the way it is not an anti-cavitation plate, it's anti-ventilation plate,
do some more research and you will see the error you made "

HUH ??? A bit mixed up NO ?


I still would not install them without proper set-up and would not waste a customer's money needlessly.

The only reason it would make a boat go faster is that it changes the attitude of the boat with respect to the way it runs on the water and that can be attained through proper set-up without tabs.

In Mr J's case the motor is too low right from the dealer, so don't address that problem just install them and compensate for the poor set-up. I don't see how that makes sense. :hs

My Gambler goes faster without the tabs touching the water at WOT and at full speed they are fully retracted and if deployed decrease speed because they increase wetted area and cause drag thus decreasing speed.

That physics and I don't know how anyone can argue with gravity :hs but I guess some will.

The tabs on my Gambler are used to plane the boat quickly and keep it on plane at slow speeds and run better in really rough water. The boat was designed by an engineer with years of experience and lots of research. Lots of bass boats don't have tabs and still plane quickly, but Gambler's utilise them for two purposes to maintain plane at slow speeds and to allow the boat to perform better in rough water. So they do have their use but to categorically say "Once again there is no power boat that would not benefit installing tabs" is too ludicrous.

I think these comments will fall on deaf ears alas


Life is fun you are an expert at hydrodynamics also, I didn't realise you were such an expert in the marine world. Do you work for a marine dealer also?? Sorry for being so myoptic about your experience

Amazing how the internet does that to people. :hs

Give a man to fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime, give him a blackberry and a toilet seat and well you know what you get......Life is truly fun

Sometimes I amuse myself

Don't worry, you don't amuse only your self ...


I never questioned that boat should be properly set up
but I don't see reason why dealer would improperly
set up your boat and then install tabs.
Yes, 14' dinghy would benefit tremendously from smart tabs
specially if you can't balance your load. ( Example 250LB guy and 15HP 4 stroke )
BTW smart tabs actually will increase top speed on small boat.

Anyway different strokes for different folks.
Looks like you got your mind set up.
Good luck and keep amusing us

[nips]

make sure your trimmed all the way down at take off