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I was trying to stay out of this topic but...

On the lake where I do most of my fishing, there are about 5 gaps separating the two halves of the lake. These are obviously good fishing spots due to structure etc. But they are also traffic corridors... and are rather narrow, 100-300yds or so.

If I'm on plane at 30mph and cruising through a gap, my wake is smallest if I stay on plane, unless I'm <5mph. Less water displacement than off plane.

If there is someone parked in the gap fishing, I generally slow down to about 25mph, but stay on plane. I've had many dirty looks and such from people who decide to PARK in the gaps, but if I slowed down they would get WAY more wake.

If it is a canoe or kayak, esp with kids, I'll slow down to <5mph out of consideration, but if it's a boat parked, I'm blowing by on plane. The way I see it, fish a boat highway, expect boats to go by you... and on plane isn't all bad - off plane is worse...

Wake Happens!! It is part of being on the water.... :D
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I don't know enough about tournament angling to offer a detailed criitique of its practices, but I have always wondered why you have to dress up like Ricky Bobby and blast around the lake at freeway speeds to catch a few fish. First come, first served, I guess. But it strikes me that fishing smarts and skill should trump horsepower most times. The only tournament I have viewed from close range was based at the foot of Dalhousie Lake where the mighty Miss flows out. The organizers were gracious enough to enact a trolling-motors-only rule for anglers who opted to fish the river. So about half the anglers never started their outboards all day. And as I recall, some if not all of the winning teams werre among the guys who did without petrol power all day.
I was a bit taken aback at the venom directed at poor old chyrbc in this thread. All he's asking for is a little consideration. Why can't we all just ... get along?
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Interesting Topic

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I think it's great that everyone has an opinion. As TK pointed out, it's great to be Canadian.

As a tournament angler, guy who grew up on the rideau river and someone who likes to fish out of a canoe as well, I have seen pretty much everything that can happen on the water.

I've been accused of fishing bass while fishing for splake see this report: http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... highlight=

Had cottagers and homeowners run out down to the dock to tell me to move on.

Had to swerve at the last minute because a Kayaker was out in open water with a dark red kayak and dark PFD on virtually invisible to boaters.

The list goes on.

TK has a good point about impressing your ideals upon others. It's clear that some (most) won't understand that desire to strap yourself into a boat that does 70 miles per hour and race down the lake like Ricky Bobby (I prefer Cal Naughton Jr. myself). It's the same reason why some guys are NASCAR fans and others like golf - personal preference.

Now admittedly, there is more than one or two guys in the region that are inconsiderate bass fishermen, however let's not paint all bass guys or gals with the same brush. Most of us are decent upstanding citizens who will do anything to help a fellow angler.

I can tell you though that guys who fish tournaments will continue to fish docks and shoreline structure. That won't change and neither will the increasingly common landowner who thinks it is perfectly fine to walk up to someone they DON'T KNOW and who is NOT on their property and tell them to back off.

Can you imagine walking down the sidewalk in front of some guys house in barrhaven and a guy running to the end of their driveway to tell you to move along cause you are too close...different situation but the principle is exactly the same. You wouldn't allow someone to infringe on your right to use the sidewalk and why would anyone allow another individual to infringe upon your rights to fish on public property.

This is why the government enacted the Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act.

Now, to go back to the original post on this string, Charbyc's post was more than a little one sided. I know because I fished that tournament and pretty sure I didn't hit anyone in a Kayak, well at least none of the locals cause I'm sure I would have heard something smack off the side of the boat or noticed a scuff mark on the hull...

To my knowledge, there was only one bass boat with a 300 HP motor on the back and he was fishing with his 6-year old son and wasn't going to be a speed demon with his son in the boat.

There were roughly 82 boats in the tournament, one or two incidents on a very busy lake in an eight hour day, things like this can and do happen here on the Mississippi regularly (mostly RJ's fault I'm sure...). I didn't notice Charbyc point out the 80+ other boats that went the entire day without causing an incident.

In closing, I can tell you I personally putted through three areas where locals were fishing in smaller boats as to not disturb their fishing, I didn't get so much as a nod from them let alone a hug from any local when I was finally off the water...very hurtful indeed.
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i did not start this post to cause a big thing or offend anyone.

i never said a thing about fishing to close to anyones dock as honestly i know theres nothing wrong with that.

i wasn't aware of exactly how many boats were on the lake but 100 was my estimate and if your telling me there were 82 then i guess i wasn't far off.

please let me repeat my origional sentiment and i dont need a reply this time, "fellas i respect your right to fish, please try to respect everyone else".

once again i dont begrudge bass fisherman, go ahead enjoy your sport.

so while i seem to have ticked off a bunch of you guys i do honestly apoligise for this and hope that someday we can all just get along. :lol:
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You know what? Lets just sacrafice a lamb in honour of all waterfront land owners and consider all tuesday afternoons a time of respect for those with anything less then 225hp.

Wait, if I strap a merc 250pro XS on the back of a 16 foot sea kayak better yet a 12 foot sports pal canoe with the middle seats kicked out of er' would that be a acceptable measure of consideration towards the cottage associations.

it would be quite until 5700rpm, fast, like mexican warp speed fast, and visually stunning to look at when on plane, just yards above the water as it travels by at 100mph engulfed in flames as it tears through the atmospheric threshold!!! No wake though.....

Oh I almost forgot to mention. I read elsewhere that some cottage owners on white lake even seen a bass boat loading the live well with beer and later throwing empties at sleeping turtles on a beach. They said at least half the boaters on the water were drunk, and possibly under the influance of drugs, specifically cannabis?

One other cottage owner reported that a bass boat operator was seen catching a bass and began touching it inappropraitly? I'm not sure what he meant by that? But hey, some bass guys really like bass.

See ya on the weekend sports fans.....If I don't wave at ya's while blasting by in a 22 foot stratos, its because I'm eithier fighting the uncontrolable chine walk the boat has at 70+ MPH. Or I'm focused on sensesly buring petrol just for the sake of buring up gas.....

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P.s. You guys eating that lamb after the sacrafice, if not, BBQ in pakenham saturday night!!!
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Charbyc

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kunoasski

one should show respect for
ALL boaters,
ALL other fishermen,
ALL property owners ,
ALL swimmers,
ALL wildlife
.......AT ALL TIMES,

NOT just Tesday afternoons
you bring nothing good to fishing, just attitude

learn common sense
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Re: Interesting Topic

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Matt Massey wrote:I think it's great that everyone has an opinion. As TK pointed out, it's great to be Canadian.

As a tournament angler, guy who grew up on the rideau river and someone who likes to fish out of a canoe as well, I have seen pretty much everything that can happen on the water.

I've been accused of fishing bass while fishing for splake see this report: http://www.fish-hawk.net/hawktalk/viewt ... highlight=

Had cottagers and homeowners run out down to the dock to tell me to move on.

Had to swerve at the last minute because a Kayaker was out in open water with a dark red kayak and dark PFD on virtually invisible to boaters.

The list goes on.

TK has a good point about impressing your ideals upon others. It's clear that some (most) won't understand that desire to strap yourself into a boat that does 70 miles per hour and race down the lake like Ricky Bobby (I prefer Cal Naughton Jr. myself). It's the same reason why some guys are NASCAR fans and others like golf - personal preference.

Now admittedly, there is more than one or two guys in the region that are inconsiderate bass fishermen, however let's not paint all bass guys or gals with the same brush. Most of us are decent upstanding citizens who will do anything to help a fellow angler.

I can tell you though that guys who fish tournaments will continue to fish docks and shoreline structure. That won't change and neither will the increasingly common landowner who thinks it is perfectly fine to walk up to someone they DON'T KNOW and who is NOT on their property and tell them to back off.

Can you imagine walking down the sidewalk in front of some guys house in barrhaven and a guy running to the end of their driveway to tell you to move along cause you are too close...different situation but the principle is exactly the same. You wouldn't allow someone to infringe on your right to use the sidewalk and why would anyone allow another individual to infringe upon your rights to fish on public property.

This is why the government enacted the Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act.

Now, to go back to the original post on this string, Charbyc's post was more than a little one sided. I know because I fished that tournament and pretty sure I didn't hit anyone in a Kayak, well at least none of the locals cause I'm sure I would have heard something smack off the side of the boat or noticed a scuff mark on the hull...

To my knowledge, there was only one bass boat with a 300 HP motor on the back and he was fishing with his 6-year old son and wasn't going to be a speed demon with his son in the boat.

There were roughly 82 boats in the tournament, one or two incidents on a very busy lake in an eight hour day, things like this can and do happen here on the Mississippi regularly (mostly RJ's fault I'm sure...). I didn't notice Charbyc point out the 80+ other boats that went the entire day without causing an incident.

In closing, I can tell you I personally putted through three areas where locals were fishing in smaller boats as to not disturb their fishing, I didn't get so much as a nod from them let alone a hug from any local when I was finally off the water...very hurtful indeed.
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I agree with Matt....though I'm not sure how it's my fault on the Miss... :lol:
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Pug wrote:kunoasski

one should show respect for
ALL boaters,
ALL other fishermen,
ALL property owners ,
ALL swimmers,
ALL wildlife
.......AT ALL TIMES,

NOT just Tesday afternoons
you bring nothing good to fishing, just attitude

learn common sense
Kunobasski has pretty much missed the point.
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Missed the point

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Missed her.....I' dammed near wrecked her!!

I bring nothing good to fishing eh?

I'm hurt.

But hey nothing good must mean something good right? I have donated over $10000 to local charities in the last 5 years, all from tournament victories. Supplied at least 100 kids with some form of gear or equipment, reunited estranged families with the outdoors in adventure guiding and demonstrated grace under critisism by ignorant passer-by's.

Say, what have you did lately?

Thats what I thought....

Its a post....dumbly constructed...but intent with conviction.

But whats worse, that I wrote it, or suckered you into wasting your time reading it, and even justifying it's existance with a reply....

Hehehehehe!! ) That was the proverbial last laugh!

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Post by IFish »

$10000 donated is fantastic!

But it doesn't justify acting like a maniac out on the water...(like buzzing people in your boats and using them as a slalom course) but you don't do that anyway so all the better. Its the guys in the bass boats that do and show no-fishing etiquette that give you all a bad rep.
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Post by Bass Addict »

Bass Boats Rule .....

Its just part of life , get use to it .

End of story :) :)
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Post by Fishing 24/7 »

I want a bass boat! :cry:

hmmmm donated 10000$ you say???

can you donate 10000 more as a down payment on my new bass boat!?!

i want to join you on your WAKE! :D
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Post by IFish »

Nothing wrong with bass boats, ski boats, wake-sport boats or tournaments.

The problem is this attitude and reputation that is developing... A few incidents of what could be considered dangerous boating is no reason to ban bass tournaments and implement horsepower restrictions.

Just a little common sense is required. Imagine the wakes created for a wakeboard comp? They don't go all over the lake but there's usually a few cottages in the area that might get a few hours of non-stop monster waves. So be it... there's always going to be waves out on the water anyway. I wouldn't go out and kayak around a wakeboard comp or demand it be banned.

One day or two of a bass tournament isn't a big deal. Its the dangerous situations created that are bothering people. A boat going 150km/hr and buzzing people in canoes and kayaks is a problem even if the wake is small at that speed. It can be viewed as dangerous boating when getting too close. Even if the operator is the best ever.

Why not go a 100km/hr + if it can be done safely... the law allows it. Buzzing another boater ot kayaker at that speed isn't allowed... its dangerous boating and really just a lowly evil thing to do.

If everybody boats safely and fishes with some etiquette... there's no problem.

Dockfishing... who fishes the same dock for hours on end? Fishermen usually just take a few casts and move on. Owners coming down and telling fishermen to leave is ridiculous. Fishermen going and fishing a dock while someone is aready there on the dock and fishing off it is ridiculous too... bad etiquette.
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