joco i will disagree with you to a point when you say 'we all saw lures get almost fully in there moth.'. I have never seen a musky swallow a lure, the lures are simply too big, now I know some guys downsize and there is a possibility of that, but my experience is that if you use the big lures a musky will never swallow it. I know there are exceptions to the rules, but the majority of the time I believe large or oversized lures are the safest bet for angling muskiejoco wrote:true that lures kill fish to.
we all saw lures get almost fully in there moth.
the best way to not hurt them or kill them is by not fishing for them pure and simple.
even trowing some lures might kill them...could be the lure..could be the bad way to unhook them..by to mutch time out off water..by gething hurt and then get infection..and so on..so even just reg tackle do kill them to.
if you realy dont want them to die..just dont fish for them.
thats is the best way.
joco
Dead Muskies between 416 and Beckettslanding
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Well said nips...I also have yet to see a Muskie that I've caught swallowing a 10-14" lurenips wrote:joco i will disagree with you to a point when you say 'we all saw lures get almost fully in there moth.'. I have never seen a musky swallow a lure, the lures are simply too big, now I know some guys downsize and there is a possibility of that, but my experience is that if you use the big lures a musky will never swallow it. I know there are exceptions to the rules, but the majority of the time I believe large or oversized lures are the safest bet for angling muskiejoco wrote:true that lures kill fish to.
we all saw lures get almost fully in there moth.
the best way to not hurt them or kill them is by not fishing for them pure and simple.
even trowing some lures might kill them...could be the lure..could be the bad way to unhook them..by to mutch time out off water..by gething hurt and then get infection..and so on..so even just reg tackle do kill them to.
if you realy dont want them to die..just dont fish for them.
thats is the best way.
joco
....but I have had to perform surgery on a poor gal a couple of years ago that had a small jointed Rapala stuck down her throat from someone's broken off line....alllure are not 12 inch and more.
i di see some 8 inch swallow and i dont care if you beleive or not i saw it..so you can say wathever you want.
but for huge lures bigger one i gues it could be harder.
ever si a pike off 6 pound swalloe a pike off 2 pound before..i gues not.
but yes bigger lure dont go in as easy and usely the treble hooks get caught before it get deap..but smaller lures do get in..no prob.
dont have to be fully in to do serous damage to gills and trouth. etc
and by swaling i am ot swaling all off it...jeee 9meening like 1/2 to more in there mouth.
but i saw musky caught wit 3 treble and this not that rare.
gills caught in those treble hooks etc..lures kills fish and nobody cant say its not true.
but what is worst then lures is stupide fisher,man that dont no how to be carefull wit them and take to many picture for there freaking ego.
and keep the fish out off the water to long.
or musky caught in syummer in where water is very hot and they they play wit the musky until is lamost dead tired and then let it go witout help ihim to recuperate etc etc.
and sadly i saw this even in some muskies canada outhing derbies...sadly people that no what to do but dont..good thing its not the majority.
mabe we should those fisherman head and put in the water as long just to see how long they last..becasue that is how you compare..not supose to be out off water as long as you in.
joco
i di see some 8 inch swallow and i dont care if you beleive or not i saw it..so you can say wathever you want.
but for huge lures bigger one i gues it could be harder.
ever si a pike off 6 pound swalloe a pike off 2 pound before..i gues not.
but yes bigger lure dont go in as easy and usely the treble hooks get caught before it get deap..but smaller lures do get in..no prob.
dont have to be fully in to do serous damage to gills and trouth. etc
and by swaling i am ot swaling all off it...jeee 9meening like 1/2 to more in there mouth.
but i saw musky caught wit 3 treble and this not that rare.
gills caught in those treble hooks etc..lures kills fish and nobody cant say its not true.
but what is worst then lures is stupide fisher,man that dont no how to be carefull wit them and take to many picture for there freaking ego.
and keep the fish out off the water to long.
or musky caught in syummer in where water is very hot and they they play wit the musky until is lamost dead tired and then let it go witout help ihim to recuperate etc etc.
and sadly i saw this even in some muskies canada outhing derbies...sadly people that no what to do but dont..good thing its not the majority.
mabe we should those fisherman head and put in the water as long just to see how long they last..becasue that is how you compare..not supose to be out off water as long as you in.
joco
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How very true Joco....we see this all the time as far as pictures go!!!....not only Muskies, but we see pics of Monster Bass, Monster Pike, Monster Speckies, etc.....and have no clue how long those fish were out of the waterjoco wrote: dont have to be fully in to do serous damage to gills and trouth. etc
and by swaling i am ot swaling all off it...jeee 9meening like 1/2 to more in there mouth.
but what is worst then lures is stupide fisher,man that dont no how to be carefull wit them and take to many picture for there freaking ego.
and keep the fish out off the water to long.
and sadly i saw this even in some muskies canada outhing derbies...sadly people that no what to do but dont..good thing its not the majority.
mabe we should those fisherman head and put in the water as long just to see how long they last..becasue that is how you compare..not supose to be out off water as long as you in.
joco
....only the guys that caught them know and know how deep their lures were swallowed ....but i think the original thread was aimed at live bait
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only the guys that caught them know and know how deep thier baits were swallowed
true.
i dont think there mutch more to say in this tread now..lets talk about ice fishing now.
joco.
true.
i dont think there mutch more to say in this tread now..lets talk about ice fishing now.
joco.
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OK Chris of all the muskie fishermen I know this means guys who fish for them on a regular base and in the hundreads if not thousands only guys from the midwest use suckers. They are allowed 3 rods per angler and are not allowed to troll so they drag suckers as they cast.
I don't know of any Canadians or anyone in the area that is a regular muskie fisherman using suckers.
It's a personal thing but I stopped using bait when I got my first boat, kind of a challenge now that I'm not limited to the shores.
Now the sucker fishing around here is nothing like what they are doing in the states, I've never seen a 24 inch sucker for sale in these parts, most suckers available here are smaller then the lures we use so are a lot easier to swallow. And considering they are real I'm sure they get swallowed faster then fake baits. So there is no fail proof rigs.
Of the thousands of muskies that have come aboard my boats less then a handfull had lures buried inside their mouth and only a couple had lures reach their gills and one of them was because I was doing a circle and the fish hit the inside spinner bait and I have since stopped the practice.
So yes the excessive killing of muskie on the rideau is both from using suckers and miss handling but most likely both.
I don't know of any Canadians or anyone in the area that is a regular muskie fisherman using suckers.
It's a personal thing but I stopped using bait when I got my first boat, kind of a challenge now that I'm not limited to the shores.
Now the sucker fishing around here is nothing like what they are doing in the states, I've never seen a 24 inch sucker for sale in these parts, most suckers available here are smaller then the lures we use so are a lot easier to swallow. And considering they are real I'm sure they get swallowed faster then fake baits. So there is no fail proof rigs.
Of the thousands of muskies that have come aboard my boats less then a handfull had lures buried inside their mouth and only a couple had lures reach their gills and one of them was because I was doing a circle and the fish hit the inside spinner bait and I have since stopped the practice.
So yes the excessive killing of muskie on the rideau is both from using suckers and miss handling but most likely both.
Catch and release them all
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Wow...it's gone from "a few dead floating Muskie carcasses" on the Rideau to excessive killing of Muskie on the Rideau ......
I can't comment on the use of sucker rigs as I've never used them nor will I. I enjoy trolling big baits and covering lots of water...
The only thing I can comment on is that Muskie4L and I also saw a floating, bloated large dead Muskie carcass on the Rideau when we were fishing the Mr. Toothy Critter derby this fall....I'm pretty sure that the stretch of river we were on gets a lot of pressure from Muskie anglers and I was presuming that it died of being mishandled
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......I can't comment on the use of sucker rigs as I've never used them nor will I. I enjoy trolling big baits and covering lots of water...
The only thing I can comment on is that Muskie4L and I also saw a floating, bloated large dead Muskie carcass on the Rideau when we were fishing the Mr. Toothy Critter derby this fall....I'm pretty sure that the stretch of river we were on gets a lot of pressure from Muskie anglers and I was presuming that it died of being mishandled
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I have fished the Rideau for a long time boy's, in fact for many years before most of you fished period.
Guiding for musky fed my family in the beginning when I thought I could make a living fishing...then I discovered BASS
what a break to make that deal come true.
In the 30+ years that I have been on the Rideau, sometimes 40-50 full days in a year I have seen only a handful of dead muskie. Doesn't mean there weren't others there that I missed though as I am just one person. I was even responsible for a few fatality's along the way before Catch and Release became the accepted method for muskie fishing
There are so many stories that seem to cycle every few years that it is almost mind numbing sometimes. You can be sure that next spring there will be a story pop up about a truck with thousands of frozen Quinte walleye's stacked like cord wood will be stopped on the 401 headed to Montreal...and it will be time to bash the NATIVES again.
Many years ago there was a story about the "hundreds" of dead bass in a small bay on White Lake after a tournament and the MNR received complaints from cottagers(probably the same ones who complain about anyone doing something they don't condone like fishing, boating, swimming) so they investigated...(novel idea?)...what they found was a handful of small undersized largemouths that had been tore up by an angler ...probably fishing for panfish....this story has cycled in the last few years too.
Anyway, just a few thoughts on a great fish and a great fishery. Gotta go down to the Post Office now and pick up my sucker rig components order.
ER! AH Quick strike rig components not traditional swallow rigs components.
have a great day
BIG JIM...hangin' tough
Guiding for musky fed my family in the beginning when I thought I could make a living fishing...then I discovered BASS
what a break to make that deal come true.In the 30+ years that I have been on the Rideau, sometimes 40-50 full days in a year I have seen only a handful of dead muskie. Doesn't mean there weren't others there that I missed though as I am just one person. I was even responsible for a few fatality's along the way before Catch and Release became the accepted method for muskie fishing
There are so many stories that seem to cycle every few years that it is almost mind numbing sometimes. You can be sure that next spring there will be a story pop up about a truck with thousands of frozen Quinte walleye's stacked like cord wood will be stopped on the 401 headed to Montreal...and it will be time to bash the NATIVES again.
Many years ago there was a story about the "hundreds" of dead bass in a small bay on White Lake after a tournament and the MNR received complaints from cottagers(probably the same ones who complain about anyone doing something they don't condone like fishing, boating, swimming) so they investigated...(novel idea?)...what they found was a handful of small undersized largemouths that had been tore up by an angler ...probably fishing for panfish....this story has cycled in the last few years too.
Anyway, just a few thoughts on a great fish and a great fishery. Gotta go down to the Post Office now and pick up my sucker rig components order.
ER! AH Quick strike rig components not traditional swallow rigs components.have a great day
BIG JIM...hangin' tough
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Because muskie fishing doesn't get the attention that bass and walleye do, the information regarding them is somewhat limited. If you want to help the fishery, when you come across a dead muskie, try and get the Cleithrum bone from it and contact someone in Muskies Canada (anyone from the Ottawa chapters would help. or go to the MNR Clethrum Project site http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/Le ... 68800.html).
The only way to study the life of these fish is through the Cleithrum. Trouble is it has to come from a dead fish and no one wants to or has got permission to kill them for it. The Cleithrum is like the rings on a tree. When studied under a microscope they can tell its age, good and bad years of growth, etc.
These cleithrum along with our catch and release logs gives the MNR one of there main sources of information on the health of the muskie fishery.
We all care about the fishery. This is a good way of contributing to ensure the proper decisions are made in order to maintain the fishery.
Tight Lines
Larry
The only way to study the life of these fish is through the Cleithrum. Trouble is it has to come from a dead fish and no one wants to or has got permission to kill them for it. The Cleithrum is like the rings on a tree. When studied under a microscope they can tell its age, good and bad years of growth, etc.
These cleithrum along with our catch and release logs gives the MNR one of there main sources of information on the health of the muskie fishery.
We all care about the fishery. This is a good way of contributing to ensure the proper decisions are made in order to maintain the fishery.
Tight Lines
Larry