I don't like bass tournaments

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I don't like bass tournaments

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Plain and simple and I fished tournaments when younger. This is not about data whether it harms fisheries or not. Why bother because anyone can spin this anyway they want. It'd be easier to herd cats. Especially after seeing experts change opinions after getting research funded by Shimano. My own suspicions are that tournaments hurt fisheries alot. Only someone who drank the koolaid would say they don't or counter the same lame BS over and over again that traditional style angling pressure would hurt more.

No this hits closer. I have family renting a cottage on Howe Island this week. My nephew has graduated from dock sunnies to wanting some real fishing and catch some bass. He's been dying to get out in the boat with me. Normally I have the experience and knowledge to catch bass in the western 1000 Islands area with ease. Putting a kid into them would be no problem.

Well I picked him up at the cottage this morning and fearing the worst off we went. The river was dead. I'm sure the bass were there but they've been hammered for weeks. I caught a few fish but I had to fish slow and work real hard to do so and most of the ones I caught had sores on their lips and mouth parts missing. Fat chance the kid had. He's beyond the gratutious hand over so he can fight it phase. He wants to catch his own. This morning I gave him the "its called fishing and not catching for reason" talk. I wish I could have told him that somewhere down the road. Tommorrow I'll pick him up at the ferry and drive up to the Rideau I think.

I don't pretend to know how a fish thinks or feels but juxtapose those beautifully coloured lively bass that come out of the water then compare them to the grey washed out disoriented things you see in the tanks waiting to be released. Although someday I'd like to try an experiment where I stick a sharp hunk of metal in a tournament anglers face, dunk his head under water for a minute or so as we admire his good looks, then toss him in a trunk with 4 other tournament anglers then drive around bumpy country roads with them for 8 hours, haul'em out, dunk under water some more, toss all of them in a big bag, immerse him in some goop sedative to make him feel warm and fuzzy (should a fish going back in waters full of predators be sedated?) and toss him in a holding cell for an hour or so. Finally haul him out in the middle of nowhere and let him go. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mainly I don't like tournaments for what they represent. If you want to compete play darts. Isn't fishing something we used to do to get away? I don't like poker runs either for similar reasons but that is another rant. I don't like seeing boat ramps and wharfs meant for public use plugged with tournament groups. I don't like fishing a water body after a tournament. How long will it take the waters around Howe and Wolfe Island I fish to recover after the latest bombing? Next up are the tournaments on the US side. More shock and awe to the fishery. The amount of pre-fishing I saw for the Canadian open was incredible. Since the opening of bass season in these huge waters I have seen more sore lips and hook damage than the past decade.

Perhaps I should go fish somewhere else then. But I've driven to local lakes like Charleston, Dog, Seeleys Bay, Loughborough etc and found either a tournament going on there now or recently or a small country ramp and parking area full of pre-fishers of some impending tournament.

I admit to being a bit of a hypocrite as I own a bass boat myself. As much as I like fishing out of it for comfort I think next spring I'll unload it for something smaller so I can get into lakes these guys can't. Which makes me think why am I the one who has lived here all my life the one who feels I have to adjust? Some would say I am overreacting but when your show pulls out of town I am stuck with whats left and in most cases its a fishery turn upside.

I know people are probably sick of this subject but I am sick of tournaments on my local waters and while you can choose to tune me out or call me an %#@$&* here, you still have your tournaments and I will have to deal with it. I know there is another thread on this subject but I chose to have my say in a fresh thread rather than buried on page 9. I realize that beyond voicing my opinion here, which is allowed there is not much I can do.
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I don't like plastic surgery, I don't like pink, I don't like country music and I am not fond of anchovies either....

I wanted to say these things too.
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Yup, you called yourself out properly. You are a hypocrite. And kudos to you for having the gonads to admit it. It's appreciated really.

Catching a fish and releasing it adds stress to a fish regardless if its for prizes or simple pleasures. So I presume you are going to trade your outdoors card and fishing licence for a PETA membership.

Please describe how you control fish that YOU caught last week or yesterday from being caught by someone else later to prevent them from being affected by your disgraceful act of creating a sore in that fishes mouth?

Looking forward to some bargins when you post all of your fishing equipment for sale.

Also it's not "your local waters" it is "our local waters" and every Canadian citizen has the right to enjoy the freedoms that come with public bodies of water. If you want to put a stop to it buy all the land.
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Not much I can say to your post dude ! It's your opinion ......... ! Till then keep Bassin :lol:
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My response to you ganman is :roll:
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Hehe, a lengthy rant deserves a lengthy reply! :shock:

I think you should just get used to the fact that everyone has different likes and/or dislikes. You dislike tournaments, others like tournaments. Do you really want everyone to be just like you and think just like you? (Starting to sound like a Liberal haha) :wink:
My own suspicions are that tournaments hurt fisheries alot.
That does not mean you are correct and it does not prove anything. That's only your opinion and others have different opinions, which they are entitled to.

You know what I don't like....people who don't like what others are doing (how's that for hypocrisy) :lol: Just kidding.... But seriously, if you don't like tournaments, don't participate in them. Despite the fact that bass tournaments have been going for decades, it's a fact.....we still have some of the best fisheries anywhere. Could they improve....ya maybe.....if nobody fished at all. Kinda like Canada being the best country to live in despite the fact that our scumfaced politicians waste a lot of our money on their buddies in big business. Yes things could be better, but it's still a pretty darned good country.
Which makes me think why am I the one who has lived here all my life the one who feels I have to adjust?
Just because you live near a body of water does not give you any more right to fish there than anyone else. Besides a tourney angler may be thinking the same thing when he arrives at his go-to spot and you and your nephew are fan casting the area already. :wink:
Isn't fishing something we used to do to get away?
Maybe for some...not so for others.

I guess what I am trying to say is....get used to the fact that we live in a country where everyone can enjoy life in their own way. As soon as you start to "dislike" what others are doing, your own life becomes pre-occupied with those things and YOU end up being miserable. I once shared a boat with a muskie guy who was using his wristwatch to time other muskie fisherman to see how long they kept fish out of the water. Then he'd complain about it for half the day...."Geez he had the fish out of the water for 42 seconds gasp!!!). His day (and mine) probably would have been more enjoyable had he not been pre-occupied with others.

Get back out there with your nephew and take your own advice (ie. find a spot where you can enjoy what YOU enjoy doing) and pass that experience on to him. Trying to blame a fishless day on the water on others does him no good. Adapt, improvise and overcome.... :lol: Just because you are an experienced angler in your area doesn't gaurantee fish every outing. You should be teaching your nephew that lesson.
....the same lame BS over and over again that traditional style angling pressure would hurt more.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (something else you will have to get used to) but calling someone else's beliefs BS doesn't solve anything and certainly isn't going to make them magically change to your way of thinking. Probably the opposite!!! This rant won't change things. If you want change, as a Canadian, you have a right to suggest an alternative to our politicians and if enough people agree with you, then change may come. Then it would be the tournament anglers complaing about their crappy deal.

Share the water!

Peace...and have a good day sir!
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It seems everywhere I turn this day and age there is ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY. It's always someone else's fault...excuses...this, that, or another thing.

Please don't teach our next generation this mindset. It's hard enough battling through this current world the way the baby boomers have made it for us. (I'm 29 y/o btw)

You had a bad day fishing. We all do. Deal with it. :roll:

PS Sunday on Quinte (the same water that apparently got pounded by those darned tournament anglers) was one of the best, most fun/fish filled days I've had in recent memory!

Let us know when you're selling your bASS boat ! I trust there's a FH discount. :wink:
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A bad day on the water is alot better being home doing house chours.

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This is my first post but I had to respond after the last week of tourney bashing and now this latest diatribe from a bitter biscuit.

To modify on old phrase "It's a poor fisherman who blames a tournament"

At least now I have something to add to my list of things I don't like; Whiney posts from fishermen that get psyched out going fishing on a body of water that recently held a tournament...

Bud, NOBODY cares that you had a bad day on the water. Clearly you needed to adjust your presentation to what the fish wanted and I'm guessing you didn't.

More importantly though, you have the gall to publically insult bass tournament anglers because you "don't like tournaments". I have an idea!!! :idea: why don't you get over your self-righteous indignation and keep your inflammatory and accusatory comments to yourself.

ChrisS was bang on. Why do you believe you have the right to impose your ideals upon others? I sure don't, but while you're on your bent about tournaments, why stop there? :!: :!: :!: Why not bash all of the other societal issues that are impacting your lifestyle or the way you think things should be? Maybe you should gives us your take on legalization of Marijuana, Same Sex Marriage, The War in Afghanistan, Abolishing the Long Form Census etc.

I mean the list goes on but gosh, I'm sure everyone would be equally interested in hearing your take on how "things aren't the way they should be" and "In my day I could buy that candy bar for 50 cents attitude". Just pick the topic and let's all discuss why you have such clarity of vision. on the way things are and the way things should be.

Bottom line - Don't let your "fishing impotence" :oops: from a tough day on the water be the catalyst for obtuse statements like "tournaments hurt fisheries a lot". to start your rant

That being said, Hi everyone! :D I apologize for my first post being a bit of a doozie but I really couldn't stand the whining anymore.

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the thing that got my intention you sell the bass boat and get something smaller to go where no one can......

so you are going kayak fishing...... 8) :wink:

i wont say i hate or dont bass derbies.

i think some budeis off water can take the abuse and the noise etc...ottawa river and a lot off big water no prob i think..

but a few smaller lake could do good to not have few of those on there lakes.

for the respect off the poep around that lake..

i sher would not like all those derbies on are lake..and even we did ad soe for years..off all species derbies it did hurt are lakes(roddick).

i could be against some derbies in some area but for other...it could be ok..and mabe good for the area for the economy there.

for the rest off the topic i said anaugh.in other tread. 8)

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You lost me at koolaid and lame BS but I continued to read on because AFAIC you have contributed some good stuff to F-H and sometimes salient points are made within the rhetoric and dramatic effects.

You stated "Mainly I don't like tournaments for what they represent" and after re-reading the post, I'm still not sure of what you think they represent.

Have you ever watched darts on SportsNet in the afternoons? Some serious business there and it's something that is certainly not for the faint of heart or those who can't handle their pints. And the levels of testosterone, ego and self-importance are at least on par with bass tournament guys...... :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW, I don't think your a hypocrite for simply owning a bassboat. Lots of people who don't fish tournaments own bassboats. They are very comfortable to fish from. So are float tubes. But given the fact that you once fished tournaments, I did end up with a visual of an ex-smoker nattering away at those who still like to puff (and I'm 5 years removed from 2 packs a day).
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Wow looks like I touched a nerve :lol: :lol: I must of missed that old cliche "its a poor fisherman who blames a tournament" Is that before or after "old fishermen never die they just smell that way"???

Any of you who question my abilities don't think I couldn't teach any of you a thing or two. If you actually read what I wrote you'd know my concern was for the kids chance at catching fish.

I see just by saying I don't like tournaments suddenly makes you experts on my views of same sex marriage, marijuana, membership in PETA, war in Afghanistan, Long form census :? Unbelievable and I'm the one who is intolerant.

Beachburger thank you for pointing out that yes darts might indeed be the perfect alternative.

Remember one thing fellas. My opinion has zero effect on any tournament event or participant. Not going to effect you one little bit other than get your goat. But your tournament treads on me plenty and on the facilities I use, the waters I fish, the fish I pursue.
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Here's a solution.

Check the SEBO, BAA, BAOO and Renegade websites.

You'll know exactly which bodies of water are being fished and on which days....for bass...

So you can still fish bass, walleye, pike, musky, lakers etc....
Not every lake is used every w/e.

The Ottawa river can easily handle the tournaments it does, so can the Big R, Muskrat, Mississippi etc.

Lets not forget bass are good forage for musky.....so should we kill them off because they eat bass?

Darts may be a good thing for you. When I got back into fishing about 4 years ago I figured the majority of folk would be nice and kind etc. For the most part they are....but some feel that they "own" spots, lures etc and it makes me sick.....seriously. I like to fish but I hate the politics, BS and backstabbing that goes on.....its awful.....they are FISH for GOD's sake!

I still fish now and then with my kids and I do the BAOO circuit. But I have started to invest my free time into other things where people do check ego at the door. The gym and the guitar stores are are waaaay more chill. Nobody cares if they7 show you something and then you can lift more or play better than them.....why not the same with fishing? I don't get it???
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Post by catfishHunter »

Don't mean to be the Devil's advocate here but hear me out:

I would be more inclined to believe that the people in the fishing derbies are more experienced and would know how to handle fish (taking the hook out, keeping ALIVE in the livewell, etc.). So it's mostly the sheer volume of people fishing that is the issue. For the recreational angler (some but not all) you could argue that they don't have the experience/knowledge that a tourney angler would have. Hence, they may not handle/release the fish as carefully and....more dead fish

So you could argue volume vs. less experience and you might end up with similar numbers of dead fish.


One thing that is from left field is the super hot weather we are having this year. There could be more bacteria/parasites/diseases that are affecting the population.

Just saying...
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Post by Mike P »

Jimmy_1 wrote:Here's a solution.

Check the SEBO, BAA, BAOO and Renegade websites.

You'll know exactly which bodies of water are being fished and on which days....for bass...

So you can still fish bass, walleye, pike, musky, lakers etc....
Not every lake is used every w/e.

The Ottawa river can easily handle the tournaments it does, so can the Big R, Muskrat, Mississippi etc.

Lets not forget bass are good forage for musky.....so should we kill them off because they eat bass?

Darts may be a good thing for you. When I got back into fishing about 4 years ago I figured the majority of folk would be nice and kind etc. For the most part they are....but some feel that they "own" spots, lures etc and it makes me sick.....seriously. I like to fish but I hate the politics, BS and backstabbing that goes on.....its awful.....they are FISH for GOD's sake!

I still fish now and then with my kids and I do the BAOO circuit. But I have started to invest my free time into other things where people do check ego at the door. The gym and the guitar stores are are waaaay more chill. Nobody cares if they7 show you something and then you can lift more or play better than them.....why not the same with fishing? I don't get it???
You really need to be a politician James!!! :roll:
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