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fishhit wrote:I believe that the intent of the rule, or as it is often refered to, "the spirit of the law", aside from definitive interpretations,is that the angler himself be involved in the setting of the hook.
Any attempt to fish without direct involment of the individual acting directly on the line to 'set' the hook is considered to be commercial fishing.
Spring gaffs, spring hooks, trot lines, set lines, jug lines, nets and any un-manned system or un-observed system is prohibited within the spirit of the regulation.
At the fishes end of the spectrum, in order for the spirit of the regulation to be met, the fish must willingly take the bait, lure or hook , and not be snagged, impaled or netted in order to qualify as a sportfish caught by a sportfisherman.
If you want to 'harvest' fish get a commercial license and take yourself out of the equation and give up sportfishing!
FISHHIT
What about trolling? You can set the hook all you want after your rod bends over and the reel is peeling, but fact is your boat's movement already set it for ya.
What does the spirit of the regulation have to say about the use of bolt rigs?
BTW the reason I use this contraption is precisely because I don't want to harvest toothies. Every pike I've caught on this thing since I bought it 3 years ago has been hooked cleanly in the corner of its mouth and released uneventfully.
fishhit wrote:I believe that the intent of the rule, or as it is often refered to, "the spirit of the law", aside from definitive interpretations,is that the angler himself be involved in the setting of the hook.
Any attempt to fish without direct involment of the individual acting directly on the line to 'set' the hook is considered to be commercial fishing.
Spring gaffs, spring hooks, trot lines, set lines, jug lines, nets and any un-manned system or un-observed system is prohibited within the spirit of the regulation.
At the fishes end of the spectrum, in order for the spirit of the regulation to be met, the fish must willingly take the bait, lure or hook , and not be snagged, impaled or netted in order to qualify as a sportfish caught by a sportfisherman.
If you want to 'harvest' fish get a commercial license and take yourself out of the equation and give up sportfishing!
FISHHIT
What about trolling? You can set the hook all you want after your rod bends over and the reel is peeling, but fact is your boat's movement already set it for ya.
What does the spirit of the regulation have to say about the use of bolt rigs?
BTW the reason I use this contraption is precisely because I don't want to harvest toothies. Every pike I've caught on this thing since I bought it 3 years ago has been hooked cleanly in the corner of its mouth and released uneventfully.
In the event of trolling the rod is monitored directly and the fish freely makes the choice to take the lure. This complies with the spirit of the law. The fish is allowed to set itself to the hook if the rod is being monitored.
Don't you just love the ambiguity of M.N.R. regulations.
Seems like the government in charge of these regulations don't have a clue.
As stated earlier,ask a CO the question on a Monday, get one answer, ask again on Friday, get a different answer.
I think it's high time we had people with more experience guiding this massive resource.
Eli wrote:BTW the reason I use this contraption is precisely because I don't want to harvest toothies. Every pike I've caught on this thing since I bought it 3 years ago has been hooked cleanly in the corner of its mouth and released uneventfully.
Just switch to circle hooks if you want corner of the mouth hook sets.
"There wouldn't have been any butt kickings if that stupid death ray had worked."
Slammers which use a tensioned pole but do not use a spring to set the hookare legal in Ontario.
I have an "E" Mail answer from the ministry on the subject on my other computer.
I will post it here latter to settle this point.
I have received several inquiries regarding the legality (use and
possession) of several ice fishing tip ups.
One is called the automatic ice fisherman and can be found at: http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/index.html
If you view the video on the web site you will see that the Tip up holds
the rod in such a way that the rod is tensioned similar to a downrigger
rod, when the fish takes the bait a release mechanism is activated and
the rod is released indicating a bite, the angler can then grab the rod
and set the hook. This type of set up does not meet the definition of a
spring gaff - "spring gaff means a spring-operated device for impaling
or hooking a fish and includes sping-loaded hooks that are triggered
when a fish bites the bait" and therefore is legal for use and
possession within 30 meters of any water.
A second piece of ice fishing equipment is called the Hook Set Tip Up
and can be viewed at http://hooksettipup.com/
If you view the video on this site you will see that this tip up
contains a spring that is "loaded" when set. When the fish hits the
bait and triggers the release the spring mechanism sets the hook, and a
flag is released. This set up falls within the definition of a spring
gaff as noted above, and is therefore not legal for use or possesion
within 30 meters of any waters.
If you have any questions regarding this gear or any other type that you
encounter please do not hesitate to contact me.
ENFORCEMENT BRANCH MISSION: To safeguard the public interest by leading
and delivering professional regulatory protection of Ontario's natural
resources."[/i]
I'll print off that little tidbit to have in case I ever come accross an over zealous CO who doesn't like my orange shirt on a Monday morning.
ROTFLMAO!!!
I will try one of those out too before the winter is over. I always thought they looked spiffy since I first saw them...
Eli... got a shirt for you!! We ever get out on the ice together I will give it to you! In the meantime, how about posting a report about how these things work for you!
