Some MUST reading!

Post by **Steve G** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:56 am

LowKey

I see that you have been a member here for some time. And it was not long ago, weeks ago in fact that we did have a separate forum for these high profile dicussions.

The moderators and owners of the board, eventualy removed it.

As I hope they do with your poor taste in humor.

PS: Hawkey Talk is a 3 year old forum, and used to get a lot of discussion when there was hockey. 3 years ago we never had as much anamosity here on the site, because we could take it on on the Senetors.

Now that's humor.

Post by **Fishing Freak** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:31 am

Great articLe, and very informative.

I have to ask though.

At what age does the egg production, and fertiLity rate start to decline?
Does anyone have any study reports about that?

Post by **Markus** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:33 am

CCB, thanks for taking the time and starting this informative thread. It really is a good topic for debate and I personally feel that anything Big Jim endorses is worth a look at.

Lowkey, I removed you "humourous" picture. Not necessary.

I'd like to read the article as well.

Makes it seem like those who keep big fish or their limit are somehow uninformed and stupid

I also relate to Big Fisher's comments regarding how these "educational" messages are at times delivered.

I do think we're straying from the opportunity to learn more about the content of CCB's original message, so lets keep it relevent. If your not interested in contributing to the topic, then don't comment and don't read the thread in the future.

Again, thanks ccb for offering this topic and lets get back on track.

Post by **Canadian Bacon** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:40 am

I believe there is alot of value in eduction!
What people do with that education is completely up to them. The article in question was written and published in a very reputable publication not to mention a publisher who is a great friend to this board.
Because one person or two or three or how ever many may feel a certain subject has no value...it certainly does not mean that in fact it has no value. It will have value to many others! This is not a I don't like it so get it off of here board. We all have different views on different things but lets respect all views..debate them sure but lets not berate them!
I believe Hawk-Talk is the perfect spot for this topic. Ethics is something we all have...but one persons perception of what is good may differ from others but respect should be a given amongst us all.

Post by RJ » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:10 am

I'd love to see someone step up and respond to Banjo's post......

I picked the article up last night......and will read it tonight....then put my slant on it and provide the info that suits my argument....

RJ

Post by **saskie** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:47 am

Fishing Freak wrote:Great articLe, and very informative.

I have to ask though.

At what age does the egg production, and fertiLity rate start to decline?
Does anyone have any study reports about that?

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record by qualifying everything I've said on the topic...on the Sask River it was determined this occurred roughly in the year classes represented by a typical 30" walleye. And obciously it doesn't happen over night...it seemed to slowly decline until either the fish died or just laid on the bottom eating food and not spawning. After much study a decision was made that for a typical 30" eye, the economic benefits brought on by anglers from all over N America coming to Nipawin area (roughly the size of Arnprior) looking for a trophy to tak home outweighed its declined/ ing breeding potential.

The size will probably be different on different bodies of water given their unique habitat and conditions

Post by **Fishing Freak** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:55 pm

Saskie

So on the Sask river taking a 30" + fish is not having a major effect, or did I inturpet that wrong.

I've been wondering this for some time now, but didn't want to start anyting.

So if studies were taken {in for example the BoQ}, then this type of info wouLd be very benefical for setting the regs.

If more peopLe knew this type of info, then maybe it wouLd show that taking some Large fish is oK. No i'm not saying it's ok to keep every big fish, even if it has stopped reproducing, I'm just saying if we knew approx. when fish are in there medopause [sp] we could protect the best producers.

Post by **steve-hamilton** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:06 pm

i dont have time to read this all, but i'd like to say, i'd be 100% in favour of taking out the 1 fish over 25" clause, and make it 0 fish over 19" .... Period.

You want a trophy? Catch it somewhere else. BOQ should remain a C&R trophy fishery....

Post by **saskie** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:00 pm

Fishing Freak wrote:Saskie

So on the Sask river taking a 30" + fish is not having a major effect, or did I inturpet that wrong.

I've been wondering this for some time now, but didn't want to start anyting.

So if studies were taken {in for example the BoQ}, then this type of info wouLd be very benefical for setting the regs.

If more peopLe knew this type of info, then maybe it wouLd show that taking some Large fish is oK. No i'm not saying it's ok to keep every big fish, even if it has stopped reproducing, I'm just saying if we knew approx. when fish are in there medopause [sp] we could protect the best producers.

Correct. The problem appears to be that this size/age combination has not been accurately determined, and using words like "large fish" tend to confuse the issue (to me an 8lb eye is large, but that 4-8lb window is probably the peak of reproductivity). Even taking 30" eye from BOQ/Erie might reduce viable spawners, where as back home you'd probably just be removing it before nature did...my point is that at some point they can be.